Any paddle a Rogue?
Posted by: old_user on Apr-19-13 1:39 AM (EST) Category: Kayaks
I mainly paddle whitewater. Only Class II/III stuff (Nantahala, Cartecay, etc...) However, I have times when I would like to just paddle the flatwater every now and then. Some weeks I can't make the longer trips to my whitewater paddling places and in the summer, the only running river is the Nantahala which is almost 3 hours from me. I have a nice flat water river about 10 minutes from my home that I want to take advantage of...
I normally paddle a Jackson Zen for my whitewater stuff and I've been eyeing either a Rogue or a Journey for my flatwater paddling. I don't think I'll be on flatwater much... maybe once or twice a month, whereas I go whitewater paddling 1-2 times a week in the spring. So, I was hoping to take advantage of a crossover like the Rogue or Ethos.
I don't want to be dog slow on the flats, but I'm not expecting to win any races either... I would be nice if I could use the boat in whitewater when my nephew comes to paddle with me as he does not own a boat and we have to rent one for him. However, I would mostly paddle my Zen for whitewater...
Does anyone think the Rogue is a worthy boat on the flats? If so, have you paddled it in some whitewater and was it worth its weight there? I'm sure it won't be anywhere near as nimble as my Zen, but I'm hoping it can at least shoot down a Class II+ river and allow me to grab some eddies along the way. If it's not good on either of these, I think I'll just go for the Journey and keep it on the flats...
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Friend has a Rogue 10|
Posted by: edzep on Apr-19-13 9:17 AM (EST)
It's got one tiny problem that is so annoying, I'd consider it a deal breaker: There's a teenie plastic tab molded into the skeg control, that is intended to keep the skeg from accidentally depoloying. This tab will break if you look at it wrong.
I own a Rogue 10|
Posted by: Dr_Disco on Apr-19-13 9:54 AM (EST)
and have paddled all of the competition. They all have their own tradeoff point. The Rogue and Pyranha Fusion both do better at WW and not as well in flat water compared to the other crossover boats. I haven't had any problem with the skeg although I rarely use it, even on flat water since I know how to paddle a WW boat in a straight line. I like the boat for what it was intended to do.
I'd look |
Posted by: old_user on Apr-19-13 10:45 AM (EST)
at the liquid logic XPs..
Posted by: old_user on Apr-19-13 11:47 AM (EST)
I have tried the XP's. I wasn't completely impressed. It was simply slow... It was a comfortable boat, but very slow on the flats as it just plowed through water and slow to pick up speed on some whitewater. It was also much more difficult to catch eddies for me... doable, but difficult.
I'm in Atlanta, and even in a droughtish|
Posted by: ezwater on Apr-19-13 5:39 PM (EST)
year, I expect that the metro Chattahoochee, the Hiwassee, the Nantahala, and the Ocoee will be running.
I agree, except|
Posted by: Dr_Disco on Apr-19-13 6:52 PM (EST)
it is harder to store gear in a Zen. The Zen is definitely a better boat.
Wanting to do some flat water too|
Posted by: old_user on Apr-19-13 11:07 PM (EST)
There are times I can't get anyone together to paddle with me and run shuttle, so, given those times, I like to either do attainments on the metro hooch, or run a flat water river near my house.
Here's a nice antique for attainments|
Posted by: ezwater on Apr-20-13 1:00 AM (EST)
on the metro Hooch.
I thought it felt "sloppy"|
Posted by: trvlrerik on Apr-19-13 5:58 PM (EST)
I also was looking at crossovers, I tried the Rogue line out and found the cockpit opening to small for wet entry in the Rogue 9 and the 10 felt so large I was worried about being able to stay inside of the boat. In both 9 and 10 I felt very loose inside of the boat and I am not a big guy. (5'11" 200lbs)
whitewater for your nephew and flatwater|
Posted by: tdaniel on Apr-19-13 8:20 PM (EST)