Based on the feed back here I passed on the Prijon. I went to the outfitter up the road and looked at a Remix XP and a WaveSport Ethos. I need a bigger boat at 6'1" 220lbs. I sat the Remix XP 10 and it sat great but I thought it was huge at 110 gallons. I also sat a Ethos 9 (they did not have a 10) and thought it was just a bit tight but I really liked the boat. Nice outfitting and seemed very well built - pretty heavy. I thought it had more rocker and was more WW oriented p had the foot brace vs the pegs and foam deck support like a WW boat. Since I want this to run some high volume flat water creeks/rivers with some class 1-2 WW I thought the Ethos would be a good choice. There is a fair amount of flat water in these creeks and rivers so the skeg may be nice. I am also going to check out the Pyranha Fusion with Connect 30 and a Pyranha Karnali (left over WW boat from last year this weekend).
Since I am a beginner I want a easy to learn on boat that I can work my roll on - and just have a good time paddling on the rivers and creeks here. Anyone have any thoughts on the Ethos?
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Posted by: edzep on Apr-17-13 7:53 AM (EST)
I recently took a look at an Ethos, too. I agree with your general, eyeball impressions. Except, note that the Remix XP does have a foam pillar. If the one you saw did not, then it was either incomplete, or LL has done a model year downgrade that I was not aware of. Best features on the Ethose appeared to be the firewall foot brace, and the ratchet thigh lift. I question, though, having a rope/cleat skeg control. I did not ascertain whether you could actually set it halfway, but, it's not like you'd really be doing that with this type of boat, anyway. The Remix boats have the best skeg control in a crossover, that I have seen -- positive, and not likely to break. The Jackson Rogue has a lockout that breaks. I have not seen the setup on the Pyranha Fusion.
These boats are more WW than Flat|
Posted by: Kocho on Apr-17-13 8:42 AM (EST)
been there done that|
Posted by: sapien on Apr-17-13 7:57 PM (EST)
alot of these Piedmont rivers and creeks have long pools and eddies and dam backwaters in between rapids that make paddling them in a ww kayak or even decent crossover a real chore. we've had alot of fun running them in Tsunamis instead. (note the 135 is a low-volume model; the 125/145 are the big-guy models.)
Posted by: gibsonra on Apr-17-13 10:37 AM (EST)
These boats were designed to a little of everything, which they do. But they don't do any one thing very well. So what you "may" get is a boat that can be a slug on flat water and a barge on whitewater. I am being very general here but that "can" be the case.
either boat will make you happy,|
Posted by: tdaniel on Apr-17-13 1:42 PM (EST)
I have only checked out the ethos online and I own the xp10. Just realize you're going to give up some speed in the flats with both of these boats. Price and outfitting would be the final factor for me if I was looking to purchase one of these two models.
Posted by: FordTrax on Apr-18-13 6:28 AM (EST)
That is kind of what I figured about a x-over. Like an SUV - can do about anything just not super great at any one thing. But maybe that is what I need to get started - especially with the class 1-2 rivers that have the long flat sections with volume and current but no real WW. They would probably be great for that. And once I get experience and better skills (balance) I may decide a need a more specialized WW boat like a Burn.
actually, eithier boat- the ethos or xp|
Posted by: tdaniel on Apr-18-13 1:34 PM (EST)
are solid whitewater performers. If you end up getting a Burn or other shorter ww boat it will be because of your perception of the boat or based on other folks perceptions but probably not on the boats actual handling. I'm getting my xp out at least 50 days a year on class III and IV. I've probably got 150 or more totals runs on class III and IV water on my current xp10. It just not be considered a "cool" boat to paddle but it works fine on class III and IV.
I think it makes little sense|
Posted by: Kocho on Apr-18-13 4:43 PM (EST)
Posted by: FordTrax on Apr-19-13 6:26 AM (EST)
for the good input about the Xp