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Hey folks. Long time lurker here, but I'm about to pull the trigger on a new Wenonah Wilderness RX, and have one unanswered question. First off yes I've read just about every post here, BWCA, and SOTP sites. I was considering an Argosy, but I'm a big guy sort of 5'10" 225lbs so that boat and the Bell YS are kind of ruled out as I like to take my 70lb Lab with me. I currently have a Sawyer Coda/ Solo 13, and it's great with the old pup on ponds and big easy flowing rivers, but I tend to paddle in protected ocean bays and coves too. Last summer the Coda scared the crap out of me paddling Cobscook Bay in Down East ME. I paddleds a WS Tsnami touring kayak previous to my solo canoe days wich was comforting in rough water, but I couldn't paddle for more than 45 mins w/o having my legs go numb. So back to my question...How seaworthy is the Wenonah Wilderness? Will it handle the big chop and weird currents I often find myself in. Yes I've also thought about adding a spray deck if I get it. So I'd like to hear from folks who have paddled this boat on big lakes and coastal areas In adverse conditions. I'd humbly say that I'm an intermediate + paddler. Is there something better in the same price range? Thanks in advance for your imput.
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My reservations about any Wenonah|
Posted by: kayamedic on Apr-08-13 11:09 PM (EST)
are its hull shape. Wide down low narrowing to a nice width for hit and swi
Posted by: CEWilson on Apr-09-13 1:27 PM (EST)
Posted by: clarion on Apr-09-13 1:51 PM (EST)
She's a full bodied girl, but not that big. 26" at the gunnels, 30" max and 28" at the 4" waterline.
Rockstar...I wish! |
Posted by: dnatured on Apr-09-13 2:36 PM (EST)
I initially was set on getting a Rockstar for my next boat, then I tried to find one. None to be had in the northeast. As for salt water paddling...the old pup most likely wouldn't be in the boat except for a quick paddle around camp. I never wanted to find out her reaction to a seal popping up near the boat! I thought about the Argosy, folks really seam to be torn on that boat, it's either a love or hate relationship.
having a bit of a loose bow |
Posted by: kayamedic on Apr-09-13 1:38 PM (EST)
is a help. Those squirrely currents in tidal races are essentially eddies that you find in whitewater. Except that they move, disappear, reappear somewhere else with constantly changing tidal currents. A river boat makes more sense.
Posted by: dnatured on Apr-09-13 2:47 PM (EST)
So I'm getting confused here. I thought when looking for a seaworthy solo I should focus on a deeper hull (b/m/s), rocker, and length. That Shearwater seems to go against some of my thinking here. Also I've read folks also love or hate tumblehome and its affects on seaworthiness. Any thoughts? Really I just need a quiver of canoes, but SWMBO isn't too keen on that idea!
Seaworthy depends a lot on hull shape|
Posted by: kayamedic on Apr-09-13 3:13 PM (EST)
Additional "Seaworthy" Aspects|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Apr-09-13 4:20 PM (EST)
Posted by: dnatured on Apr-09-13 6:06 PM (EST)
Went up to, but not through, but that was in a 14.5 touring kayak. I just sold my OC-1 play boat about 2hours ago. I would have liked to take that up there or to Blue Hill to play. As for paddling, I'm almost always on my knees, so I keep my weight as low as I can. I'm thinking that a Wilderness, plenty of time to get to know the boat, and a CCS deck might be my best option? Unless someone know of a secret Rockstar stash somewhere. The high end composites are just out of my price range right now. (Too many other $ hobbies). Unless I can find a decent used boat. There is a used Prism and a Magic within a 5 hour drive.
With budget in mind a nice used|
Posted by: kayamedic on Apr-09-13 6:41 PM (EST)
Not totally sold on the Wilderness|
Posted by: dnatured on Apr-09-13 11:14 PM (EST)
I still have my Coda 13 and a royalex tripper, which equals stable solo for flat water + dog, and good for any water with a 1Klbs in it boat. So maybe what I'm really looking for is a solo boat that provides a little confidence in adverse conditions whether it be a protected bay or lake in big chop or some fast downsteam flow II or less. I have an eye on a well priced Argosy and a YS Solo, but still wondering if they are the best hulls to paddle coastal areas with. Hmmm.....?
The Arogsy and YS...|
Posted by: sohojacques on Apr-10-13 2:33 AM (EST)
No and I wrote about why|
Posted by: kayamedic on Apr-10-13 9:12 AM (EST)
Posted by: jefallon on Apr-10-13 12:40 PM (EST)
would be fine for your intended use. Having owned both a Royalex and a composite Wilderness I'd say the Royalex boat has less of a bulge, less tumblehome and looser ends than the composite version. Watch the YouTube video of the Royalex Wilderness for an idea of it's maneuverability.
Posted by: dnatured on Apr-10-13 5:20 PM (EST)
Well I think I'll stick with the original plan and go with the Wilderness RX. However a Penobby 16RX is for sale in my area at a very nice price! I thought I had my next boat all figured out, and the more I read the more other boats pop into view clouding my vision. I wish we had a local Mohawk dealer, I would like to demo their 15' solo.
Posted by: canoeracer on Apr-12-13 8:16 AM (EST)
For the type of paddling you are doing you might consider a Kruger Seawind or Superior Expedton. These are decked canoes with a large cockpit and rudder. Seat can be adjusted up or down to increase stability. This boat is very stable and carry alot of weight.
Mohawk does not have a dealer|
Posted by: kayamedic on Apr-12-13 8:27 AM (EST)
network. They sell direct. Not all canoe manufacturers have dealers.
Posted by: dnatured on Apr-14-13 9:38 AM (EST)
Well I did not get the Wilderness. When I really thought about what kind of paddling I will really be doing, a 15 and a half foot solo tripper didn't fit the bill. Yesterday I got my hands on a almost new condition Bell YS solo completely outfitted and w/ a removable yoke. Yes I know this isn't a good dog boat, but she's so old now days I don't see myself doing any overnights with her or paddling in rough conditions. I thnk I will just take her out on flat water in the Coda or toss her upfront in the Tripper to trim it out. The YS solo I think will be a great compromise boat for what I want in a canoe just for me. For multiway trips, I pack with my backpacking gear, so even 5 days on the H2O is only an extra 35# in the boat. I'm stoked and can't wait to get her wet! Unfortunately today is brew day, (I say that like its a bad thing!) so maybe after that's done I'll run up to the local pond. Thanks for all those that chimed in with device and insight. It was much appreciated.
LOL I thought about that YS|
Posted by: kayamedic on Apr-14-13 10:06 AM (EST)
in Trenton.. but didn't bite.Let me know if it doesn't work out!
That's the one|
Posted by: dnatured on Apr-14-13 11:45 AM (EST)
Yep. That was the boat. Really good guy, works for the ANP fire dept. moved out here from Yellowstone a few years ago. Little more than I would liked to pay for a used boat, but a lot cheaper than a new Wilderness. Plus I'm pretty sure he was aware of Bell's current production situation. Either way the boat is like new with only a very few minor scratches on the bottom. Oh well, with the outfitting, yoke, and overall condition of the boat it was a good deal to me. Lets just hope the new boat euphoria continues when I get it out on the water!