Need boat advice
Posted by: old_user on Apr-07-13 9:05 PM (EST) Category: unassigned
Problem at hand - I demo'd two boats. North Shore Atlantic LV and Tiderace Xcite S (I'm a guy, 5'7'', 156 lbs). Now I can't decide which. My skill level is not enough to give me a clear hint as to which one. North Shore is smaller volume wise (270 L vs 310 L) and a bit shorter. Feels bit more stable, but I don't have problems with Xcite either.
In short, I want to hear some dirt on the boats. Everyone is saying how great stuff is. I want to hear about negative qualities.
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Posted by: Dr_Disco on Apr-07-13 9:20 PM (EST)
I would have thought the Xcite was dangerously unstable because of its lack of initial stability. Now I would have no problem. In fact I think it is a great boat. So even though your question seems reasonable it is not. Your experience, skills, and talent will turn negatives into positives and vice versa.
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Posted by: old_user on Apr-07-13 9:25 PM (EST)
don't find Xcite unstable. Compared to Atlantic I do have to watch myself a bit, but that's all. I've been kayaking on and off for 5 years. Now thinking of getting my own boat.
Posted by: slushpaddler on Apr-08-13 12:20 PM (EST)
consider what might feel tender now probably will ease with use. And you may gain in the bargain.
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Apr-08-13 6:02 AM (EST)
I paddled one for the past 2 years. Pretty stable boat, not very fast. Very planning hull - has a tendency to surf anything and everything. In following seas this unintentional planning can be quite worrisome in the beginning. OK to roll, but back deck can be bit high for someone your (and mine :D) height. Subjective opinion is the boat is slow. But it may be just me. Altogether I like it, but if I had the money I would probably go and buy Xcite S in Hardcore version :). Not that Atlantic has shoddy built - it's a regular GF layout, but it is plenty stiff and was paddled away from a few hard impacts (twice by K1 kayaks :D :D :D)
Lower back deck height|
Posted by: Celia on Apr-08-13 10:36 AM (EST)
If all things are equal, go for that. It'll pay you back time and again as your skills advance and you spend more time on things like getting back into the boat after something like a brace or a roll fails, and makes much of that a lot easier.
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Apr-08-13 10:55 AM (EST)
Gosh, that boat does not fit me at all... I'm just plain wrongly designed to fit in there and be comfortable for loing time. No idea why! :(
Horrible seat for most|
Posted by: Celia on Apr-08-13 11:25 AM (EST)
I am one of the oddballs that likes the old NDK short seat. Most find it awful though.
I'm a convert|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Apr-08-13 12:18 PM (EST)
I used to like it. But because of certain physiological changes, it doesn't fit me any longer?
Posted by: suiram on Apr-08-13 11:13 AM (EST)
How do you intend to use your kayak?
Posted by: old_user on Apr-08-13 2:47 PM (EST)
should have said what I want from the start. Short coastal trips, max 2 days (1 night out), relaxed group paddling. No surf play, but occasionally some paddling in hard chop/moderate to strong winds. Speed is not of the essence and I don't need to carry gear. I want to learn a bit more rolling, but that's not a primary objective.
Posted by: suiram on Apr-09-13 9:39 AM (EST)
Take this with a grain of salt, this is all very subjective
Posted by: old_user on Apr-09-13 12:55 PM (EST)
for the opinion and advice. Pilgrim Expedition is not an option, I do not have any opportunities to test-paddle one. I'm interested in your opinion on boat sizes though. Being a skinny fellow I tend to "get lost" in boats that are over 310-320 L. Thigh pads and all that helps of course, but what's the point of having 2 inches of padding around your arse in a large boat? I hardly ever carry more than 25-30 pounds of gear and that is a rarity - meaning I rather sacrifice day trip for a "perfectly fitting empty boat". My personal feeling is having a full-sized boat as basically a day boat is a bit too much of a boat to have, so to speak. I have not tried full sized Xcite, but in other 350+ L boats (when empty) I tend to be blown around. I was actually looking for something smaller and close-to-the-water, yet a bit bigger than typical Greenland boat. Maybe I'm not making much sense to you...
Posted by: suiram on Apr-09-13 1:10 PM (EST)
Overpower - the bow goes up with each stroke, lots of splashing from the bow, but that is extremely unlikely with GP.
Posted by: old_user on Apr-09-13 1:41 PM (EST)
...but at 283 L would not Pilgrim Expedition be smaller than 311 L Xcite S?