I was at the lumber shop today asking about 17' lengths of ash or even cyprus. No luck. He said he has 18' straight grained cedar.
I don't think I've heard of anyone using cedar for gunnels. So it must not be very good, or at least that's what I'm thinking. Too soft?
Anyone have any educated opinions on cedar for gunnels?
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Too splitty, if it's western red cedar. |
Posted by: ezwater on Apr-02-13 2:00 PM (EST)
I don't know what to suggest, not knowing what they may have lying around.
Another thought. Douglas fir is |
Posted by: ezwater on Apr-03-13 12:45 AM (EST)
stronger, sometimes turns up in soundboards like sitka spruce. I can pick out real long lengths of straight-grained douglas fir "2x2" at local suppliers. Maybe your people can get it and rip it for you. It should surface harden with epoxy or even just quality varnish.
Posted by: rblturtle on Apr-03-13 6:09 AM (EST)
hemlock camoe uses spruce as a lightweight gunnel option. i have them on my kestrel.not as pretty as ash an softer-they dent easier,but save 2 lbs or so.
Thanks for the suggestions|
Posted by: clarion on Apr-03-13 8:16 AM (EST)
I'll see what else might be available and I'll pass on the cedar.
Posted by: pgeorg on Apr-03-13 6:21 PM (EST)
I recently commissioned a new canoe. I was/am concerned about gunwales rotting because I have to store outside. The builder assured me that the cherry gunwales he normally installs would hold up with a bit of annual care. I researched the matter a bit online and found a chart showing that cherry is, indeed, fairly impervious to rot. More so, according to the chart, than the commonly used ash. Course, I can't find that chart again.
Posted by: rblturtle on Apr-03-13 7:21 PM (EST)
back on the farm,when we couldn't find locus for fence posts,we yaed cherry due to it's pretty good rot resistance.
you can always make a high ratio ....|
Posted by: pilotwingz on Apr-03-13 8:40 PM (EST)
...... scarph joint with the type of wood you really prefer .
Posted by: jhb8426 on Apr-04-13 12:42 AM (EST)
My impression of cedar is that it's too soft for gunwales.
Inside is a link to a USDA pub. |
Posted by: ezwater on Apr-04-13 12:49 AM (EST)
on wood characteristics. On about page 25 you'll find some comparative data on various mechanical parameters. Western red cedar doesn't look good compared to several softwood alternatives. Douglas fir still appears to be a feasible softwood.
ps. , it takes all of about 1/2 hr. ....|
Posted by: pilotwingz on Apr-04-13 7:43 AM (EST)
...... to make the jig (3 pieces of wood) , make the cuts , do the layup and clamp , clarion .
Woodworkers will probably not like this|
Posted by: clarion on Apr-04-13 10:42 AM (EST)
Update and heads-up|
Posted by: clarion on Apr-04-13 10:49 AM (EST)
Someone suggested I call Marc Orenstein about gunnels. I did just that and Marc has full-length ash that he'll sell at a very fair price. And he'll even do the profile work for a little extra.