-- Last Updated: Mar-28-13 1:52 PM EST --
Last Fall and Winter some of us had noticed the hype around the start-up company that was pre-selling the Orukayak (as in "Origami kayak") that was supposed to weigh around 25 lbs, be sea worthy and fold up to the size of an art student portfolio. Other than one guy posting a test paddle he got to take during a promo outing in California 3 months ago I have heard nothing new about these or whether any of the promised early shipments went out,'
Looking at the company's slick website I see no new blog posts since January and initial delivery dates have slid from March to July now. Anybody heard anything about these odd craft and whether the product is legit? Or did the promoters just take the cash from their successful kickstarter fund appeal and abscond to Tahiti?
Maybe that $800 to $900 price point turned out to be impracticable.
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Posted by: slushpaddler on Mar-28-13 4:19 PM (EST)
as I said before|
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Mar-28-13 5:01 PM (EST)
talked with wners|
Posted by: Peter-CA on Mar-28-13 9:19 PM (EST)
Talked with owners a few weeks back. They are trying to ramp up production now. There problem is not that the price was wrong, but that they have too many orders which they need to produce. They had a whole bunch of orders as part of their Kickstarter, and continue to get a few additional pre-orders each week. So there plans based around producing one quantity wouldn't work, so they are scaling up at the same time they start production. This is delaying them getting the boat out.
Oru Kayak update|
Posted by: old_user on Mar-28-13 10:46 PM (EST)
always a sceptic|
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Mar-29-13 7:15 PM (EST)
Stiffness of the boat has little to do with material itself - skin-on-frame boats are very stiff, despite, or rather because, of their construction - load-bearing frame, thin strained hull material. In Oru kayak skin is both strained and load-bearing and bow/stern/deck seams are not sealed. Deformation of the skin may/will cause deformation of the seam and water ingress. Given, not an issue in dead calm, much more of an issue when hitting something or in waves. Free surface effect will make boat less controllable, probably making things worse.
Sorry, that's not correct|
Posted by: mrmannerz on Mar-30-13 11:07 AM (EST)
Stiffness of the boat has everything to do with the material and how the materials are applied to the design of the boat. I don't know if the Orukayak is a good boat or not. However, a skin on frame kayak is completely different than a stiffened panel monocoque. In the skin boat, the lashed together frame takes both compression and tension loads with the skin adding to the strength, although it is only able to take tensile loads (the skin reduces the flexing that the frame alone would experience in use). A panel construction is different. The panels take both tension and compression without a supporting internal frame. Monocoque construction can be made very light, strong and stiff, but it is a high-tech solution compared to a skin boat, that can be made out of drift wood and animal skins. Everything has it's place.
load distribution |
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Mar-31-13 6:00 PM (EST)
Calling a flexible, stap-and-buckle construction a "monocoque" is a bit steep. Take a milk carton and try to make it "fail" by pushing ends up and towards the center. Hard, ain't it? Now take another carton, cut the line on the top panel all the way to the sides and try flexing carton again. Line separates and carton fold "just like that". Only the boat is NOT a carton, its length to width ration is higher, which makes things even worse.
CEO talk for were in deep shit ...|
Posted by: seadart on Mar-29-13 2:12 AM (EST)
"We’ve had a few challenges, and there may be more ahead, but we are on schedule. And most importantly, we've partnered with manufacturers and component..."
I am glad...|
Posted by: Peter-CA on Mar-29-13 7:01 PM (EST)
I am glad entrepreneurs like Anton don't listen to the naysayers.
An invitation to the skeptics|
Posted by: old_user on Mar-30-13 2:12 AM (EST)
Posted by: wavespinner on Mar-30-13 8:34 AM (EST)
Good luck to you
When and where ?|
Posted by: seadart on Mar-30-13 9:20 AM (EST)
Saw the video|
Posted by: tsunamichuck1 on Mar-30-13 11:07 AM (EST)
I am currently working in The Bay Area and live in Emeryville. Saw your launch from Treasure Island. Have lots of experience with portable boats and can give you a fair review if you let me try it.
Odd? No demo days scheduled?|
Posted by: seadart on Mar-31-13 2:41 PM (EST)
Give it a rest.|
Posted by: Yanoer on Mar-31-13 5:51 PM (EST)
Do you have a personal beef with this operation?
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Apr-01-13 9:35 AM (EST)
Maybe he does the same thing on Apple forums under the nick of "Melanogaster" :) Besides, it is a factual statement - no demo days are scheduled and what better publicity would there be than to make 3-5 boats and invite a bunch of people to test them? Would pretty much either definitively float them or sink them.
It's not just a late launch|
Posted by: pikabike on Apr-01-13 1:18 PM (EST)
It's prepaying for a product that isn't available for demo anywhere (yet). A completely new product of new design, too--UNLIKE Apple's devices which have a long track record.
Another interesting one|
Posted by: pikabike on Apr-01-13 1:22 PM (EST)
I didn't even know these things had ever been marketed, but they do precede my entry into paddling:
innovation vs. real word supply|
Posted by: willowleaf on Apr-01-13 2:11 PM (EST)
Glad to see some responses from the designer/producer. But I'll be waiting to see what happens.
Bay Area is home of Vaporware ....|
Posted by: seadart on Apr-01-13 3:03 PM (EST)
New product introductions|
Posted by: wavespinner on Apr-01-13 2:38 PM (EST)
Full Disclosure ???|
Posted by: seadart on Apr-01-13 3:01 PM (EST)
Have you watched their youtube videos?
Posted by: wavespinner on Apr-01-13 3:45 PM (EST)
Posted by: willowleaf on Apr-01-13 10:39 PM (EST)
...I still say you Oru folk need to keep more current updates on the website. It would only take a few minutes a week to post a short blog report on the progress of production. I mean you made time to respond to my question on here, didn't you?
Posted by: Emanoh on Apr-01-13 11:41 PM (EST)
I think Sterling is dong a good job of feeding a steady stream of updates, videos and pics as they rebuild and reload from their fire. Nice model for oru to follow.
Gotta love all the so called experts...|
Posted by: jaws on Apr-02-13 12:52 AM (EST)
on this thread who have all the answers for how a start up company should do things. I just wish they would give the names of their successful company and what innovative product they've created and marketed?
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Apr-02-13 4:47 AM (EST)
you drive and are seeing that another guy's wheel is about to come off - you won't tell him cause ur not a mechanic?
Posted by: wavespinner on Apr-02-13 7:39 AM (EST)
People can discern between what is intended as constructive and what is acrimonious.
What happened to the orukayak ?|
Posted by: poleplant on Apr-02-13 9:04 AM (EST)
They were defeated by the tippeycanoes at the battle of High Brace !
Posted by: willowleaf on Apr-02-13 10:02 AM (EST)
I am, indeed, offering constructive criticism and suggestions, because I'm a big fan of folders, am intrigued by the Oru and a potential customer. I'd love to see them succeed.
Oru in dysfunction?|
Posted by: old_user on May-30-13 2:37 PM (EST)
thanks willowleaf, for your insight. I wish this guy at Oru would hear you and take your words to heart. you are absolutely right--he's hurting his credibility and risking the success of his organization by playing ostrich and keeping his customers in the dark. to those who would accuse you of being in no position to have such an opinion or offer such advice, I can only say: I am a person who purchased two of these folding kayaks on the very first day, and I am horrified by my experience.
Oru Credibility is Fine|
Posted by: old_user on Jul-31-13 2:29 AM (EST)
I have been a fairly silent member of paddlingnet for a number of years. That is until now.
Re: Oru credibility is fine|
Posted by: old_user on Aug-21-13 11:55 AM (EST)
Thank you Laure for posting about the delivery and paddling experience you had with your Oru. As another customer much further down the waiting list, it's great to hear good news!