OK, now that I'm close to actual boat shopping, I've decided that we'll start with a rec boat (tandem -- that's not negotiable) with the understanding it will be replaced in a year or two as our skills and hopefully interest improves. I've been watching CL and see a few that I might check out after reading the reviews.
Anyway, I see no reason not to scale our accessory purchases to a boat that will eventually leave -- why not get "good" PFD's and paddles, for instance, and keep them when I get a better boat (unless they come "free" with the boat as a package)?
Q: At what point and I getting most of the benefits of a "good" paddle and not purchasing esoterica? Can we, for instance, get a nice one for $250 each? (No whitewater use, intending flatwater) One plan might be to shop for a decent used one to save $$$ and once I find one, match it with a new one (I have a large gift card I can expend on this) of the same brand/model. Which reminds me, reading up a bit and with our differing sizes, my wife might best use a 220 and me a 230... can they differ in size on a tandem or should one of us compromise?
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Posted by: regrea on Mar-28-13 9:00 AM (EST)
You should be able to get a nice paddle|
Posted by: jackl on Mar-28-13 9:12 AM (EST)
for that price.
No, it's not stupid|
Posted by: Canuka on Mar-28-13 9:24 AM (EST)
If you can only afford high quality in one of the two items, the money should go into the paddle. Better to paddle a cheap boat with a good paddle than a nice boat with a crappy paddle. Besides, the OP intends to keep the paddle and upgrade the boat.
I disagree, Jack.|
Posted by: Yanoer on Mar-28-13 9:30 AM (EST)
Bad paddles suck, regardless of the boat.
It is stupid !|
Posted by: Jackl on Apr-01-13 7:13 PM (EST)
Any one that would buy a $300 boat, and then spring for a $300 paddle to paddle said boat with, needs their head examined.
I would do that.|
Posted by: Yanoer on Apr-01-13 7:37 PM (EST)
But I'd be buying a used high dollar paddle, not the high dollar paddle at retail price.
Used is good, but as a first buy|
Posted by: Kocho on Mar-28-13 9:19 AM (EST)
You may not know what is good or you and if the price is fair.
Proper sizing matters as much as weight.|
Posted by: Yanoer on Mar-28-13 9:39 AM (EST)
Your wife may prefer a smaller blade, if she is a weaker paddler.
Wait on buying paddles for now|
Posted by: willowleaf on Mar-28-13 9:40 AM (EST)
Agree on the wait|
Posted by: wavespinner on Mar-28-13 10:18 AM (EST)
Not only could your next boat have a different beam measurement, but your paddling technique could change. For example, if you migrate to high angle, you'd want a shorter paddle with a larger blade. Get something decent now but save the bigger bucks until you've settled into your groove.
That was half-joking about the 3 feet|
Posted by: Kocho on Mar-28-13 1:53 PM (EST)
Wide boat. And yes, paddler height and arms length help one use a shorter paddle in a bigger boat. I have no issues paddling a 30+ inch wide recreational kayak with a 210cm paddle but I do have serious issues with paddling a 22-24" wide sea kayak with anything over 215 cm (though, admittedly, 220cm is fine if I'm not looking for the perfect size). Yes, YMMV.
We've always enjoyed tandem paddling|
Posted by: CapeFear on Mar-28-13 9:54 AM (EST)
Posted by: radiomix on Mar-28-13 10:19 AM (EST)
Paddle you choose for a rec tandem will not be the best paddle for a better solo boat later. I would stick with a hybrid type paddle that is decently light. In other words, no aluminum. Plastic blades are fine for now, but a good design is important. In other words, no completely flat wide looking thick plastic blades. You should be able to get one for a good bit less than $250.
what do you use for that QCC?|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Mar-28-13 1:24 PM (EST)
QCC, right? Are you using a wing, and which one?
Posted by: radiomix on Mar-28-13 6:03 PM (EST)
218-208 small mid wing. I paddle it at 213 usually.
ok, I've got to try a wing paddle|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Mar-29-13 8:38 AM (EST)
Width, depth, height|
Posted by: wetzool on Mar-28-13 10:23 AM (EST)
If I were you I would not spend a lot of money on a pfd or paddle at this point. I don't mean go out an buy cheap ones, because generally more expensive paddles and pfd's are just nicer to use and wear. But, your heights (torso and arm), boat width and boat depth all are important considerations on paddle length, and the height of the seat back in most recreational tandem kayaks will have some impact the comfort of many pfds.
PFD's and paddle|
Posted by: Celia on Mar-28-13 10:58 AM (EST)
Posted by: willi_h2o on Mar-28-13 11:30 AM (EST)
Plenty to digest|
Posted by: tiger1964 on Mar-28-13 11:31 AM (EST)
Good info here and not even all contradictory -- not a bad start. I might need to re-think SOME of what I'm planning.
adding to willowleaf|
Posted by: suiram on Mar-28-13 11:57 AM (EST)
When my wife and I started paddling, we took an intro class, rented, went on tours with outfitter, paddled with local paddlers with borrowed gear.
Go to ACk|
Posted by: Marshall on Mar-28-13 12:03 PM (EST)
Instead of test paddling pixels go to Annapolis Canoe and Kayak and pick they're brains and ask to test paddle a few models that they think would be likely candidates. They are on the water and they might even have something in the way of a used tandem that you're in search of. Use your local experts first, unless you're killing time at the office I suppose.
YES! Also, check out ...|
Posted by: Kocho on Mar-28-13 2:00 PM (EST)
The cpakayaker.com - this is probably the best place to find local paddlers. We got several "piracy" groups and most of us are more than willing to let you try our gear. Check out the upcoming events on the calendar - very soon there is a gear day. You will find decent and probably reasonably priced used gear there and the opportunity to test paddle a lot of stuff that you will have hard time finding otherwise.
Hey Marshall did you see the Post on a |
Posted by: suntan on Mar-29-13 10:27 AM (EST)
guy looking to buy a Prijon?
Posted by: slushpaddler on Mar-28-13 1:18 PM (EST)
Only you can make that determination. IMO once you get past decent design and materials (no aluminum), it all depends on distance traveled and personal preferences.
Rent before you buy ...|
Posted by: seadart on Mar-28-13 1:30 PM (EST)
try renting three or four times with different kinds of boats and asking to try different paddles, try different lengths. Attend a demo day this spring where you can try boats and paddles on the water. New Kayakers start out looking at the lowest priced NEW equipment they can afford. It's usually a better idea to buy a used boat and the owners often throw in the paddles in the deal. Use them for a while and then buy a decent paddle. Aquabound makes decent entry level paddles. Also look at Onno Paddles for a good price on a quality paddle.
Buy used paddle on Craigslist|
Posted by: Waterbird on Mar-28-13 4:55 PM (EST)
that's my favorite paddle!|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Mar-28-13 8:43 PM (EST)
Mine's worn and tattered but it still does the job.
Werner Camano is a classic|
Posted by: Waterbird on Mar-30-13 9:21 PM (EST)
I don't think I phrased this right: "It's surprising how many people buy a Werner Camano paddle and end up not using it." I meant, it's surprising how many people spend a lot of money on good kayaks and paddles and end up not using them. That means there are good deals to be found.
Anyone need a 240cm carbon Camano? $250|
Posted by: Waterbird on Apr-01-13 6:42 PM (EST)
Posted by: tsunamichuck1 on Mar-28-13 7:13 PM (EST)
The Werner Sprite kids paddle. Its less than $100, reasonably light and very easy on the joints. Small blade but its going to be able to drive a rec tandem (and most touring kayaks) at its top speed.
Further thought re paddle for wife|
Posted by: Celia on Mar-29-13 7:00 AM (EST)
I had subsequent thoughts about your situation with the tandem. It sounds like your wife is rather short in the torso and not nearly as big as you overall. If that is correct, it's a pretty sure bet that the cockpit fit which feels fine to you will be swallowing her up.
Posted by: willowleaf on Apr-01-13 9:48 PM (EST)
Another moderate priced paddle option that might work for your wife is made by a guy with a home workshop who makes Pacific Paddles. I got one because they break down to 3 pieces and I needed that to carry with my folding kayaks for air travel. Though they are aluminum shaft, the shaft is slender and light and the paddles have the slender blades I prefer. I think I paid less than $120 for his T-1 model last year.