What would be a popular recreational kayak that has for main attribute its speed? I am looking for a used kayak, 12-14 feet. I have trouble determining speed inclination of a kayak from the manufacturers' specs. Often, recreational kayaks are described as being stable. I can compromise a bit of stability for speed. I wouldn't mind a sea kayak but there are more expensive.
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Posted by: pblanc on Mar-27-13 3:40 PM (EST)
on where you draw the border between recreational kayaks and shorter sea kayaks.
Compromises need to happen|
Posted by: willi_h2o on Mar-27-13 3:55 PM (EST)
Ulitmate top speed or easy cruising?|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Mar-27-13 3:57 PM (EST)
Posted by: willowleaf on Mar-27-13 4:07 PM (EST)
..."recreational kayaks" are designed to be for what you might call "lily-dipping", i.e., platforms for casual paddling in fairly placid waters with the emphasis on stability for fishing, birdwatching, photography, etc. They tend to be over 25" in width and less than 12' in length with fairly high volume, high gunwales, flat hull and large cockpit for easy entry and exit by nervous beginners. I'm not dumping on them -- they are great for what they are designed for and probably constitute the majority of kayaks used nationwide. But speed is not a factor with them. All of their specs create a boat that does not respond well to attempts to accelerate quickly and push continuously at a rapid pace. The width and hull profile make them plow water at speed and can make them grumpy about tracking straight. You need something more slender with a hull that slices the water for speed.
Posted by: willi_h2o on Mar-27-13 4:13 PM (EST)
Posted by: willowleaf on Mar-27-13 4:20 PM (EST)
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Posted by: seadart on Mar-28-13 5:22 PM (EST)
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Posted by: CapeFear on Mar-27-13 4:22 PM (EST)
The KayakPro Namu I would think would be a contender for fastest recreational kayak, the small version 13'6", the medium 14'9". Take a look at the hull and you'll find clues to what might make a 14 footer faster or slower. The fast boats seem to tend to avoid any concave surfaces in contact with the water, including along the sides leading to the bow and stern ends. They typically will have the plumb bow and stern as you see on the KayakPro Namu to maximize waterline. You might see the bottom of the hull rounded clear to the ends, instead of tapering off into a sharp v, or even more resembling a fin for some distance near the ends. I think these might be some things you could look for in evaluating recreational kayaks for potential speed to thin the herd before deciding which ones to test. But there's a lot to how you want the kayak to track, and the stability you require, and endless other considerations, and that's why you find so many different approaches.
All great advices|
Posted by: Recez on Mar-27-13 4:46 PM (EST)
Thanks everybody, I like the technical info provided and the referrals to some kayak models. I see I should have provided more information. I am in Ontario, Canada, and you won't find many used sea kayak under $1000. My budget is $500. Not so many touring kayak at that price either.
Posted by: Celia on Mar-27-13 5:27 PM (EST)
a used pack canoe like the Placid Boat Works spitfire might be worth considering. Still double bladed to paddle, but one of these may be faster than a lot of beamier kayaks.
Race on flat water or down river?|
Posted by: seadart on Mar-27-13 7:24 PM (EST)
Not much adventure in flat water. If down river you might look for a used old school downriver whitewater boat low volume long pointy ends - these go cheap nowdays ~$300 if you can find one.
Kayaks are not fast|
Posted by: mintjulep on Mar-27-13 4:51 PM (EST)
Paddlers are fast. It's really about the engine.
It makes sense|
Posted by: Recez on Mar-27-13 9:12 PM (EST)
So then, for the same paddler, over 20k (13miles), what could be a time difference between a 14' and a 16' boat? It still confuses me to do this math. Thanks.
depends on the engine. |
Posted by: mintjulep on Mar-27-13 9:39 PM (EST)
Differences in boat speed is more important the faster you go.
Help with math, but not the final answer|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Mar-27-13 9:41 PM (EST)
my approach |
Posted by: mintjulep on Mar-27-13 10:31 PM (EST)
I know I can sustain about 4.5 knots over any significant distance in my boat.
Curve is the word|
Posted by: willi_h2o on Mar-28-13 12:20 AM (EST)
no faster way to turn off a newbie IMO|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Mar-28-13 5:41 PM (EST)
Then to give them charts and graphs to show them what gear to buy. It's like showing me a chart and graph to convince me to buy a certain brand underwear.
rec boats and the word speed|
Posted by: nickjc on Mar-27-13 10:59 PM (EST)
are mutually exclusive. If you go looking to get a rec boat with even a notion of enjoying some speed you will be sorely disappointed. The problem with rec boats is the width. To fit an adult they need to be wide to get enough floatation. That combined with the poor paddling position and long usually heavy paddle mean you are not even going to get close to hull speed. If you can at all swing the cost, an old used glass boat will be miles better.
Posted by: radiomix on Mar-28-13 10:22 AM (EST)
Probably about .25-.5 mph. Of course depending on a bunch of things.
Posted by: redmond on Mar-27-13 5:22 PM (EST)
a slow rec kayak is a great workout machine. Not so good for racing though.
here's one in Toronto|
Posted by: willowleaf on Mar-28-13 12:22 AM (EST)
Posted by: Recez on Mar-28-13 2:27 PM (EST)
Posted by: fatelmo on Mar-28-13 7:50 AM (EST)
Need ah' say more....
Posted by: ADNelson on Mar-28-13 7:57 AM (EST)
Not for open ocean outings, but if speed and cost-effectiveness are your main points, the Conduit 13 is very fast compared to other rec kayaks.
a short anecdote for you|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Mar-28-13 1:20 PM (EST)
Speed is all relative|
Posted by: trvlrerik on Mar-28-13 1:53 PM (EST)
None of my boats would be considered speedsters, but conditioning, form and a constant pace will beat a fast boat nearly every time. Being in a boat that feels good to be in is worth more than a marginal speed advantage in my opinion.
Posted by: slushpaddler on Mar-28-13 4:17 PM (EST)
Fastest recreational wheelbarrow. |
Posted by: g2d on Mar-28-13 3:07 PM (EST)
Posted by: suiram on Mar-28-13 4:01 PM (EST)
Old "Red" joke from USSR days. |
Posted by: g2d on Mar-28-13 4:13 PM (EST)
Factory worker departs each day with wheelbarrow full of sand and dirt. Guards sift through contents but find nothing.
Posted by: slushpaddler on Mar-28-13 4:17 PM (EST)
That last line was a bonus!
Posted by: suiram on Mar-28-13 4:50 PM (EST)
The one Greg Barton paddles.|
Posted by: Yanoer on Mar-29-13 12:20 AM (EST)
Posted by: Recez on Mar-29-13 7:40 PM (EST)
I thank everybody for the scientific answers, as well as the more philosophic ones. This forum is awesome. My search is much more focused now. I will let you know what happens.
You could have a dozen boats that|
Posted by: shirlann on Mar-29-13 10:38 PM (EST)
are just like those belonging to the friends you paddle with and 10-1 each person would have the ability to paddle at a slightly different speed. This would be due to each persons uniqueness, such as height, weight, torso/arm/leg length, paddling style (stroke length and whether high or low), and anything else that makes one propel their boat forward.
Posted by: ppine on Mar-30-13 11:29 AM (EST)
All recreational kayaks are slow compared to narrow 18 foot sea kayaks.