Hey, I live in the SE, and am in contact with a large Confluence dealership in the NE, that has a rotomolded boat I'd like to buy. 'Course, I won't be able to inspect it, personally.
The sales guy was pretty straightforward in answering my questions, stating that it had been stored and displayed outdoors, for about a year and a half.
Wow, outdoor storage has always been a deal-breaker, when I've been shopping used boats. I was surprised that new boats would be stored this way.
So, sales guy says this is standard procedure... that they've never had a warranty issue with these boats, for plastic damage... that Confluence is using UV inhibitors in their plastics (first I've heard of this). And, during summer, they apply 303 on the boats a few times a month. Really? Think about the cost of 303 and labor that would be involved, with 100 or more boats.
What do you think of this? I've never been to a LARGE dealership before. Have you seen boats stored this way? Would you buy such a boat, particularly old stock?
Oh, they did send me photos. The boat appears ok, though I have seen boats that appeared much worse in person than they did in pixels.
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I bought a four year old ABS|
Posted by: kayamedic on Feb-27-13 6:26 PM (EST)
boat stored outside from a New England dealer. Got a good deal as obviously it wasn't moving.
Seems weird that they would store ....|
Posted by: jackl on Feb-27-13 7:07 PM (EST)
a new boat outside for that long.
Posted by: rpg51 on Feb-27-13 7:34 PM (EST)
Its all about the price.
Posted by: Andy_Szymczak on Feb-27-13 8:34 PM (EST)
On google maps or better, Bing maps, put in the Jersey Paddler and zoom in. They have tons of boats stored outside. Mostly used boats, high end boats are stored inside.
Posted by: sapien on Feb-27-13 9:04 PM (EST)
all plastic boats use UV inhibitors|
Posted by: Peter-CA on Feb-27-13 9:04 PM (EST)
All plastic boats use UV inhibitors, but it is like sunscreen - only slows the damage.
Posted by: Waterbird on Feb-27-13 9:25 PM (EST)
I once bought a rotomolded kayak that had been stored outside in the sun. The bottom was deformed. The dealer was able to get the dent out and it was okay after that. Maybe someone here would be able to inspect the kayak for you if they live nearby. What state is it in?
People should call a dent a "dent"|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Feb-28-13 11:06 AM (EST)
Dat's called "rack rot"|
Posted by: fatelmo on Feb-28-13 1:01 PM (EST)
in de trade - not "oil canning".
Outside doesn't necessarily mean sun|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Feb-27-13 10:13 PM (EST)
Lots of dealers store boats on racks outside. So do lots of boat owners, including me. The boats on the middle and lower rows don't necessarily get much sun.
I appreciate these comments...|
Posted by: edzep on Feb-28-13 10:08 AM (EST)
...some good things to think about. WRT Appomatix River Co., I have dealt with them in the past, and was impressed. But, for the boat in question, older inventory, the price is hard to beat.
I suspect it would be OK|
Posted by: pblanc on Feb-28-13 10:19 AM (EST)
It is my impression that photodegradation of polyethylene boats due to outdoor storage is much less a problem than it used to be a few decades ago. I remember polyethylene kayaks from back in the 1980s that would completely degrade with prolonged UV exposure and become useless. Boats made of cross-linked polyethylene seemed to be a bit more susceptible than those made of linear polyethylene.
I have seen some boats|
Posted by: kayamedic on Feb-28-13 1:10 PM (EST)
that definitely lack stiffness in the bottom and with tandem paddlers forcing down both stems do oilcan.
"Pop" or "click" past center?|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Feb-28-13 1:55 PM (EST)
I've seen flexy canoe bottoms get pushed up quite a bit when two people are on board, but for the bottom to actually "snap" back and forth across a "tight spot" between the two extremes of motion, no, I haven't, and thus I haven't seen true oilcanning either. People in mechanical occupations who use the word "oilcanning" correctly would be surprised at how imprecise the meaning of the word is to most paddlers.
Posted by: pblanc on Feb-28-13 1:55 PM (EST)
The Wenonah Rogue (Royalex) oilcans like crazy.
I know what oilcanning is|
Posted by: kayamedic on Feb-28-13 2:14 PM (EST)
Posted by: NateHanson on Feb-28-13 2:17 PM (EST)
All the dealers I know of store boats outdoors up here. I just don't think sun in the Northeast is that big of a deal for a number of months. I wouldn't hesitate to buy it. Get a discount for it being a new hold-over.
Think it depends on just how much.|
Posted by: bigspencer on Mar-01-13 1:12 PM (EST)
The Royalex(no knowledge of other materials!...PE etc.) of recent times(~last 10yrs) is not as thick and stiff as once was...and a good deal of sunlight will actually stiffen a hull up a little(forget what it looks like)...which is good, performance-wise....but I imagine when you extend this into a 2nd summer...baked stiffness gives way to brittleness...etc.
Update: I bought the boat|
Posted by: edzep on Mar-24-13 5:49 PM (EST)
It seems replies leaned in the "probably OK for the right price," and "this is common in the north east" direction. I bought the boat, and all is well.