Outfitting canoes for multi-day class II
Posted by: old_user on Feb-19-13 9:35 PM (EST) Category: Canoes
I'm getting my two canoes ready to lead a San Juan trip this summer with the Boy Scouts (I've done this trip in my raft before, but this trip will be canoes). I have a Tripper and an AlumnaCraft - both 17'.
I would like to add attachment points on the gunwales of both canoes, plus attach D rings to the floors, in order to securely attach my gear into the boats. As my Tripper is Royalex, and my AlumnaCraft is aluminum, I expect the manner of adding attachment points will be quite different.
I would also like to talk the Boy Scout troop into doing the same thing with the troop's canoes. I took this same troop down Ruby Horsethief last fall - great trip, but all of our gear needs a little work!
I haven't done any permanent damage to either canoe (yet) - before I start drilling or glueing I thought I would ask the knowledgeable folks on Paddling.net...
Thank you in advance for any suggestions - I'm really looking forward to this trip!
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Posted by: sloopsailor on Feb-19-13 10:48 PM (EST)
Don't add rings. Run lines the length of the boat to stuff gear under. If you swamp, you will need to be able to remove gear quickly to empty the boat. Simply run the lines and wrap to the thwarts. Attach the gear ON TOP of the gear with biners for fast easy access. No modification to the boat needed.
I can't picture what you're suggesting. |
Posted by: ezwater on Feb-20-13 3:50 PM (EST)
Also, standard drill for emptying a gear-loaded canoe is to get it to the bank and roll it. Gear removal may not be necessary.
river tripping outfitting|
Posted by: pblanc on Feb-20-13 6:18 AM (EST)
On river trips that involve any type of whitewater I would include provisions to add some supplemental flotation to your boats.
rig for kneeling|
Posted by: Mattt on Feb-20-13 8:57 AM (EST)
you should add some form of kneeling pads, or at least a rubber mat of some kind contact cememted to the hull - makes kneeling much less of a pain, and keeps paddlers from sliding around on the bottom of the canoe at the time they need the most control.
Great advice so far.|
Posted by: deuce on Feb-20-13 9:18 AM (EST)
Easier and less-permanent knee pads|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Feb-20-13 9:37 AM (EST)
Have U done the B.S.A. Safety afoat |
Posted by: wh2ofox on Feb-20-13 9:22 AM (EST)
with your scouts ???
Second the Safety Afloat & Paddlecraft|
Posted by: ricknriver on Feb-20-13 9:33 PM (EST)
Safety, and Safe Swim Defense, as good learning activities over a weekend before your trip. I've helped teach this program to Leaders and Senior Scouts in our and nearby councils. May become mandatory for Leaders soon. R
Posted by: guideboatguy on Feb-20-13 9:55 AM (EST)
On the river.............|
Posted by: thebob.com on Feb-20-13 12:36 PM (EST)
Am I the only one who thinks that |
Posted by: clarion on Feb-21-13 8:29 AM (EST)
... chasing floating gear bags on class II only ups the fun factor?
I read a book last year|
Posted by: deuce on Feb-21-13 9:18 AM (EST)
about canoe camping and the author recommended tying a rope to a thwart, running it through all the bags except for one, then tying the other end to that one. His argument was boat recovery and water extraction would be much easier without a boat full of gear and the gear would still be easy to recover when things settled down. Haven't tried it because I generally canoe camp where boat recovery is extremely unlikely to be necessary, but...............
Posted by: pblanc on Feb-21-13 10:57 AM (EST)
Might be a reasonable idea for flat water trips as it allows easily getting the weight out of the boat to allow a boat-over-boat rescue to be done if a capsize occurs some distance from shore.
Can't recall specifically,|
Posted by: deuce on Feb-21-13 1:51 PM (EST)
but I think his point was that the boat and paddlers would be well downstream of the lighter packs, in which case entrapment wouldn't be as much of a concern. However, as you said, if the packs remained in the boat they would displace water which would be helpful. Think I'll just continue with my cam strap X.
Free floating packs(anchors)|
Posted by: thebob.com on Feb-21-13 2:06 PM (EST)
Posted by: deuce on Feb-21-13 2:16 PM (EST)
As I said, never tried it and can't imagine I ever will.
its like fast food|
Posted by: tdaniel on Feb-21-13 8:47 PM (EST)
quick and convenient. Here's how its done in a flash.
You've had a "heavy pack" sink?|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Feb-21-13 11:03 PM (EST)
It could have been by Bill Mason|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Feb-21-13 8:35 PM (EST)
if you let the gear remain loose on the|
Posted by: kayamedic on Feb-21-13 8:48 PM (EST)
San Juan you will have a heck of a chase. Tethers are risky because of entrapment risk.
When we were on the San Juan, our |
Posted by: ezwater on Feb-22-13 9:58 AM (EST)
Maine Guides left it up to us about whether to tie our gear bags in the canoes. Probably they were reasoning that the rapids were relatively short, followed by just swift water, and that if bags floated loose, those waiting at the bottom of the rapid, like me, could snag them.
It was bugging me so I looked it up.|
Posted by: deuce on Feb-22-13 9:13 AM (EST)
Canoe Camping: An Essential Guide by Mark Scriver.
not the only one|
Posted by: pblanc on Feb-22-13 10:14 AM (EST)
Mark is not the only person to make such a suggestion. This is an excerpt from "Canoeing: A Trailside Guide" written by Gordon Grant, a former head of whitewater instruction at the Nantahala Outdoor Center.
Very helpful discussion--thanks!|
Posted by: gingernc on Feb-22-13 11:39 AM (EST)