I have just sold my last "spare" boat in the fleet and threw in a war club paddle that was often used as a spare.
I realize that now all of the paddles I own I actually give a crap about, and cannot see them put into "spare" paddle day trip status. I have been thinking about a 4 piece paddle to put inside to clean up the deck for wet entry reasons.
I find that my favorite paddles are all high angle, big bladed, (corryvrecken types) with both bent and straight shafts, varying from 210 to 215cm, depending on the boat of the day.
I was wondering if other paddlers, (read more experienced0, spare paddles change with the type of water, or if there is any logic to the selection of a spare?
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I am different|
Posted by: gnarlydog on Feb-14-13 9:18 PM (EST)
I am different than you and I find that I don't need to change paddles size or style for different waters.
Not too sure about more exp., but,|
Posted by: t.george on Feb-14-13 9:21 PM (EST)
I generally pack a greenland storm paddle for the following reasons;it fits on the front deck so no hinderance of cowboy scramble, if I lose a paddle in a dire moment there's no need for assembly, I can roll, scull, brace and paddle just fine with it, it's the cats' meow when there's a heinous headwind and it's relatively inexpensive.
Posted by: bartc on Feb-14-13 9:24 PM (EST)
Some common sense: If you lose your paddle when on the water, would you really want your spare to be out of reach "inside"?
Good quality spare|
Posted by: Waterbird on Feb-14-13 10:01 PM (EST)
If I'm on a long trip and need to use my spare paddle for several days, an inferior paddle could ruin the trip. I have a Werner Camano for my spare. I never would have spent that much money on a spare---it came free with a used kayak I bought.
Logic for the spare|
Posted by: Celia on Feb-15-13 9:26 AM (EST)
If you have to actually use it, you'll be very unhappy with a club. I ended up in this situation a couple of seasons ago. I got to the launch and had a last minute problem that meant I had to actually use my spare all day. By day's end I had resolved that I would not paddle with a spare that was any less pleasant to use than my usual main paddle - ie a few hundred dollars worth of lightweight. I was hurting for a couple of days due to the weight of the paddle and, because it wasn't as efficient as my normal, how high I had to run my cadence to keep up.
Posted by: carldelo on Feb-15-13 10:29 AM (EST)
I'm also a proponent of only keeping 'good'paddles on the boat, and having them in reach, preferably already assembled. Also, I almost always do the GP/EP mix, that way I don't have to decide which to use before putting in.
Posted by: jcbikeski on Feb-15-13 12:17 PM (EST)
"lose the paddle, and grab a split off the front deck from upside down to help roll up". I'd love to make this easier to do but in order to make the spare paddle able to stay put through surf it needs to be secure enough that it's hard to just casually tug at it. I can get it myself but I have to move a bungee I added as extra protection. Always curious if others have ways to keep a spare secure through surf and yet easy to get when flipped.
Not in surf|
Posted by: Celia on Feb-15-13 12:28 PM (EST)
There is maybe one person I know who has the presence of mind and physical strength to do this in surf. I was talking about less challenging conditions, bumpy water that could create a capsize without the added thrill of undertow and rip currents and large rock surfaces coming at you.
Posted by: jcbikeski on Feb-15-13 12:35 PM (EST)
in my case most simple coastal paddles still involve surf which is why it's a question for me. I don't generally lose the paddle in surf -- I'm probably more likely to lose one from a extra strong gust of wind though that hasn't actually happened yet. When actively surfing for it's own sake I park and play and leave the spare in the car.
Yes, while surfing... |
Posted by: t.george on Feb-15-13 10:33 PM (EST)
...since getting a reliable roll, I've only had my paddle ripped from my hands once and I was quite able to pull my spare & roll up with it, retrieve my main paddle and all was good. With a little practice it is not difficult as long as your combat roll is reliable.
OK - more can do it|
Posted by: Celia on Feb-16-13 8:57 AM (EST)
that's worth practicing|
Posted by: CapeFear on Feb-16-13 3:06 PM (EST)
Just a few weeks ago I sat along the beach in the broken waves for a while, in water just deep enough to clear my head upside down, to where my shoulder hit bottom, just capsizing repeatedly. I like to do this once in a while just to practice righting myself with one quick nudge off the bottom, letting go of the paddle with one hand to nudge off the bottom with my hand. When I'd land on my shoulder, I'd nudge with my elbow.
Good advice - thanks|
Posted by: Celia on Feb-17-13 10:48 AM (EST)
Not sure when I'll have a moment to practice this coming up - things are a bit distracted at home and will stay that way for a while - but I'll try and hang onto these notes.
Posted by: t.george on Feb-16-13 12:42 PM (EST)
I totally get what you're saying and agree conditionally. The conditions one finds themselves in that is. I also "conditionally" stand by all my comments on this thread.
twist the bungies|
Posted by: NateHanson on Feb-15-13 12:59 PM (EST)
I agree that it's tough to keep a split on the foredeck in some conditions, and if I'm parking and playing, I'll usually put a spare inside my stern hatch (a 210 2-piece just fits into the oval hatch of both my boats).
It's easy with a GP and...|
Posted by: Bnystrom on Feb-17-13 3:09 PM (EST)
...Greenland style deck rigging. That means getting rid of the nearly useless bungee cords that come on most boats and installing cords and sliders. They will hold the paddle very securely, yet you can release it in a heartbeat.Mine has been pounded many times in surf and it's never come loose. However, grabbing it off the foredeck is a simple matter of pushing it forward out from under the cords, then back to release it from the bow loop. It takes about a second and I've done it a couple of times when I've been whacked hard enough to have my primary paddle torn from my grasp. It was no problem at all to do it under water.
pick up where I left off|
Posted by: CapeFear on Feb-15-13 12:09 PM (EST)
I just want the paddle to have the familiar feel that I am used to should I need it, so I want something with a familiar blade shape.
Paddle on front or back|
Posted by: Celia on Feb-15-13 12:38 PM (EST)
There has been some movement over the years here. When we started paddling, people kept their spares on the back. Then we encountered some changing thought about that as well as had reasons to reconsider with our own practices. There was a while when I decided to confuse everyone and carry one half front and one back. I was getting tired of the debates about it and that seemed to leave me out of it. The access to the spare in a capsize is about the least important part to me now.
Posted by: nickjc on Feb-15-13 4:22 PM (EST)
I keep my 2 piece corrywrecken on the fore deck. Ends in Northwater paddle britches and blades under the deck bungees. Lots of surf action and never lost one, and it's available for the party trick spare paddle roll up. Occasionally if I get really hammered, it will dislodge a blade but never lost one. Maybe you need better deck bungees.The britches keep the ends from getting all full of sand as well.
Roll up with half a paddle?|
Posted by: pikabike on Feb-16-13 1:49 PM (EST)
I've done it in flat water but don't know how realistic it is in rough stuff.
it is very realistic|
Posted by: paddlemore on Feb-19-13 10:32 AM (EST)
When you roll you are only using 1 blade, so having only one blade is not a hinderance.
It Ain't a Spare|
Posted by: Kudzu on Feb-15-13 4:29 PM (EST)
I have one GP with significantly less surface area than the other. I use it for going into a stiff breeze or if I just feel like increasing my cadence. Think chainrings on a bicycle. It fits nicely on the foredeck.
Posted by: rick_s on Feb-15-13 6:56 PM (EST)
i'd not like being in the middle of anything and totally screwed for want of a paddle!
I feel a little stupid now.|
Posted by: trvlrerik on Feb-15-13 7:55 PM (EST)
I have been working on being able to roll in either direction first with EP, then hand rolling, it had never occurred to me to use my spare in the event I lose my paddle. In the last year I have finally gotten to the point where the wet exit is not my "go to" rescue.
no reason to feel dumb|
Posted by: rick_s on Feb-15-13 8:00 PM (EST)
nobody knows everything and the only reason some know more than others are the series of mistakes made...that's experience, right? the mistakes we've learned from that haven't killed us! have fun!
Posted by: Kudzu on Feb-16-13 5:51 AM (EST)
That day I swam in Back Sound taught me a lot!
I thought the topic ...|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Feb-15-13 9:27 PM (EST)
2 primary paddles on each trip|
Posted by: paddlemore on Feb-17-13 9:19 AM (EST)
That way if one breaks I am not using a paddle I do not enjoy using.
Posted by: bowler1 on Feb-18-13 8:35 AM (EST)
I have not read the other responses, but imagine that there are others who feel the same...
2 (thats 2) primary paddles|
Posted by: ret603 on Feb-18-13 12:01 PM (EST)
my spare is the same as my main paddle|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Feb-18-13 10:57 AM (EST)
Because if I have to use it chances are it'll become my main paddle.
type of water|
Posted by: Dr_Disco on Feb-18-13 6:56 PM (EST)
makes a big difference. For WW, for example, I keep my spare in my boat behind the seat. And the spare is a set of hands paddles. If I broke a paddle (not hard to do in WW) then I would paddle a single blade until I could catch an eddy. If I had to swim and lost my paddle I would take out the hands paddles after I had made it to shore.
Same here in WW|
Posted by: Celia on Feb-18-13 8:09 PM (EST)
Completely different approach to the spare, mine for WW is a 4 part that would not be very practical to assemble while bouncing down the river regardless of how easy it'd be to get the parts out from under the air bags.
Posted by: bowler1 on Feb-19-13 7:17 PM (EST)
I have only broken a paddle once, but it was a unique situation and the spare storm on the front deck was key.