Rules for cold water safety
Posted by: LeeG on Feb-10-13 6:42 PM (EST) Category: unassigned
This is old news to most of you but this site has some good info
NOTE: Each rule is followed by a number of Case Histories - Real-life examples of close calls and fatalities.
1) Always Wear Your PFD
2) Always Dress For The Water Temperature
3) Field-Test Your Gear
4) Swim-Test Your Gear Every Time You Go Out
5) Imagine The Worst That Could Happen and Plan For It
2-3 Canoe/Kayak Trailer
Kayak Motor Kit
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PDF vs lifejacket|
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Feb-10-13 7:19 PM (EST)
So, what is a lifejacket? A bulky thing |
Posted by: ezwater on Feb-10-13 11:51 PM (EST)
that, in spite of its pretensions, won't keep your head up out of the water while you die of hypothermia?
Still drown with a PFD on|
Posted by: willi_h2o on Feb-11-13 12:04 AM (EST)
Sad thing is, you can still drown with a PFD on.
Yes, even wearing a class 1 with neck |
Posted by: ezwater on Feb-11-13 3:10 PM (EST)
support and ~30 pounds of flotation.
I call them PDFs by accident|
Posted by: LeeG on Feb-11-13 6:55 AM (EST)
Lifejackets and so on|
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Feb-11-13 10:35 AM (EST)
Lifejackets are designed to keep your head above water, even if you are unconscious (at least they "should" do it) - they are put together in that way and are rated to at least 100N flotation, often more. They are not designed for active swimming either, at least not the kind of contortions kayakers go though in the water :). Kayaking PFD aka Buoyancy Aid is usually 50-60N rated and is specifically designed for someone who is active in the water - it will not keep you head up and you can perfectly well drown wearing one, as been said here.
Who says so?? For decades, everyone|
Posted by: ezwater on Feb-11-13 3:17 PM (EST)
has been calling all PFDs "life jackets". Then, recently, UK government agencies, and *parts* of the USCG, decided that they wanted to call only class 1 "life jackets."
so you just repeat|
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Feb-11-13 7:32 PM (EST)
what I said - that what you call "class 1" likefackets are not designed for active swimming - and expect this to make a point? The ONLY kind of personal flotation I've seen powerboaters, sailboat people and anyone but kayakers and jetski people - who need mobility in the water - wear would be what you call "class 1" lifejackets with head and neck support. Why? probably because they are not stupid enough to forgo extra flotation in cold water. Not to mention that fair share of powerboat/sailing lifejackets are automatic inflatables. There is more to cold water than swimming in a Class II/III creek. There are also seas and oceans with cold water in them.
My point. They are all life jackets. |
Posted by: ezwater on Feb-12-13 12:18 AM (EST)
All of them. We aren't going to reserve the term for type 1 jackets that very few wear. Of all the situations where it is in one's best interest to wear a life jacket, few of them require 30 pounds of flotation and head support.
and on we go...|
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Feb-12-13 7:34 AM (EST)
A Bit Confusing|
Posted by: MoultonAvery on Feb-16-13 9:20 PM (EST)
Posted by: slushpaddler on Feb-13-13 12:58 PM (EST)
#5 should be #1|
Posted by: willi_h2o on Feb-10-13 8:25 PM (EST)
Best that imagining|
Posted by: LeeG on Feb-11-13 7:00 AM (EST)
is based on IN water experience. A person can imagine all kinds of scenarios with all kinds of plans but if they haven't been in the water and discovered their reactions to cold water and limits of their equipment for the time of rescues the plans are simply fantasies.
There are some possible problems with |
Posted by: ezwater on Feb-11-13 3:27 PM (EST)
your list. What does it mean to dress for the water temperature? What immersion time do you have in mind? Is the person having to struggle to get to shore, gather equipment, re-enter on the water, etc., or is he just huddling passively, as USCG suggests, waiting for rescue?
only a check list|
Posted by: jcbikeski on Feb-11-13 3:40 PM (EST)
I suspect the idea is to highlight what you should be actually _thinking_ about. Your final choices can't be dictated by anyone else because not only do they vary with conditions but with your personal willingness to take a risk. After all staying home is an even better way to avoid hypothermia but that's just for the very risk adverse. As long as you give serious thought and maybe discussion to each point you are ahead of many that don't.
Did you go to the website?|
Posted by: LeeG on Feb-12-13 11:57 AM (EST)
If you clicked on each "rule" it links to a page with more detail. The general rule is that you should know how your gear works in the water for your time of immersion or rescue. The website doesn't specify what that is for you, that is your judgement.
thank you so much|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Feb-13-13 12:58 PM (EST)
I was going to post that in haste and a bit less patience.
#1 Paddling alone|
Posted by: Jaybabina on Feb-12-13 7:22 AM (EST)
If you must paddle alone, be extra, extra conservative and safe.
Posted by: Jackl on Feb-12-13 8:47 AM (EST)
That should be the number 1 rule.
Posted by: glendorado on Feb-12-13 9:26 AM (EST)
to a WW kayaking club in the midwest, & have seen this type of thread before on our discussion forum. Seems to be 2 patterns of thought, especially on paddling alone in cold water temps. I have heard some say "never paddle alone" & some that say paddling alone is fine cause your not risking anyone but yourself. Personally, I have paddled alone but not in cold water temps. I think about what will happen if I have to swim, or end up with a foot pinned if I am alone in cold water. Where I paddle, I usually don't see another soul, so waiting for a rescue is not an option. It's either self rescue, or situational badness. I agree you can't "plan for the worst" because you don't know what the "worst" could be. Deliverance comes to mind. How about a bear attack?
Posted by: willi_h2o on Feb-12-13 1:06 PM (EST)
Washington Kayak Club WInter Safety|
Posted by: RiverMystic on Feb-13-13 12:11 PM (EST)
Washington Kayak Club is a meetup group near Washington, D.C. This is our guidelines for trip leaders on winter paddles:
nice info, thanks|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Feb-13-13 1:03 PM (EST)
Some interesting reading while i'm living vicariously thru the rest of you out paddling.
Posted by: willi_h2o on Feb-13-13 3:16 PM (EST)
Personal responsibility - instead of - completely
Tested my gear a couple of weekends ago|
Posted by: eckilson on Feb-17-13 6:49 AM (EST)