Horn cleats on a tandem kayak deck

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Horn cleats on a tandem kayak deck - Ted_from_Crockett_CA - Jan-26-13 2:12 AM
- Maybe someone had it rigged for... - Jackl - Jan-26-13 5:28 AM
- Paddle Park ??? - mjamja - Jan-26-13 7:03 PM
  - Paddle park, Northwest Kayaks - Glenn_MacGrady - Jan-26-13 7:47 PM
    - It's a Northwest kayak - Ted_from_Crockett_CA - Jan-26-13 9:51 PM
    - Ted - mjamja - Jan-26-13 10:32 PM
- It's a nice feature IMHO - LeeG - Jan-26-13 9:21 PM
  - No problem, but - Ted_from_Crockett_CA - Jan-27-13 12:37 AM
    - Check - LeeG - Jan-27-13 2:04 PM

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  Maybe someone had it rigged for...
  Posted by: Jackl on Jan-26-13 5:28 AM (EST)

sailing ?
If it was me, I would take them off.
Just use stainless bolts to fill the holes. Put a rubber washer under a stainless washer under the nut, or use a captive nut with a nylon bushing.
I would think they would just get in the way.

Jack L

  Paddle Park ???
  Posted by: mjamja on Jan-26-13 7:03 PM (EST)

Mariner kayaks used a system of such cleats combined with a bungee cord (crossing the deck) just in front of the cleats. If the paddle is laid on top of one cleat and the bungee is pulled back over the paddle and hooked on the cleat the paddle will be held in place with one blade in the water. If the paddle is place across both cleats and the bungee is pulled over the paddle and around both cleats the paddle is held horizontal with both blades out of water. This system is supposed to be a quick release so that if you just grab the paddle and pull up and back it immediately comes free.

If you go to www.marinerkayaks.com and call up the owners manual you can find this system described and some drawings of how it works.

Mark

  Paddle park, Northwest Kayaks
  Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Jan-26-13 7:47 PM (EST)

Is this a Northwest Kayak? If so, many of their models had/have the same cleat/bungee paddle park system as Mariner had.

  It's a Northwest kayak
  Posted by: Ted_from_Crockett_CA on Jan-26-13 9:51 PM (EST)

and I guess the cleats were meant for a paddle park. I can see how it's a convenient system, but using 4" cleats seems like overkill.

And the cleats don't have backing plates, or even washers, under the deck, and it seems like the poor leverage-to-support ratio could make them a liability when the boat's being cartopped or handled off the water. There might have been backing plates once, but it seems like most of the maintenance was done by an eight-year-old who had a tendency to lose things.

  Ted
  Posted by: mjamja on Jan-26-13 10:32 PM (EST)

You might want to go through the Mariner owners manuals and read more about the paddle park and the bow painter and some of the rigging options. The cleats on my Mariner are also used to keep the bow painter in place. It allows the painter to be rotated and the painter attaches at the cleat which makes it easier to pick up a painter after it is realeased from a dock rather than having it tied to the bow toggle and also possible to tie in something for towing right at your cockpit, but then rotate it forward for towing and then rotate it back when time to release it.

Mariner had some unique ideas about functional deck rigging.

Mark

  It's a nice feature IMHO
  Posted by: LeeG on Jan-26-13 9:21 PM (EST)

You have a problem with it?

  No problem, but
  Posted by: Ted_from_Crockett_CA on Jan-27-13 12:37 AM (EST)

one of the cleats on the kayak is broken and I was wondering if it was functional enough to be worth replacing, or if I should try something else. I'll probably replace it for now--with a backing plate-- and see if I like it when the boat is repaired enough to be seaworthy.

  Check
  Posted by: LeeG on Jan-27-13 2:04 PM (EST)

-- Last Updated: Jan-27-13 2:32 PM EST --

On my Mariner I had the cleats were kind of recessed and those on the .5 stick straight up in the air. You can set if up any way you want. I could see those hooking on other kayaks perimeter lines in a rescue. There's nothing written in stone you have to rig a kayak the way the manufacturer did.
Basically the rigging is for your use, if you don't see a need get rid of them or try something else.

I got used to having the recessed cleats on the Mariner so that when I outfitted other kayaks I ended up installing 1" webbing loops or a ss D ring on the foredeck for attaching a painter or quick tow line.

	Maybe someone had it rigged for... Posted by: Jackl on Jan-26-13 5:28 AM (EST)
	sailing ? If it was me, I would take them off. Just use stainless bolts to fill the holes. Put a rubber washer under a stainless washer under the nut, or use a captive nut with a nylon bushing. I would think they would just get in the way. Jack L

	Paddle Park ??? Posted by: mjamja on Jan-26-13 7:03 PM (EST)
	Mariner kayaks used a system of such cleats combined with a bungee cord (crossing the deck) just in front of the cleats. If the paddle is laid on top of one cleat and the bungee is pulled back over the paddle and hooked on the cleat the paddle will be held in place with one blade in the water. If the paddle is place across both cleats and the bungee is pulled over the paddle and around both cleats the paddle is held horizontal with both blades out of water. This system is supposed to be a quick release so that if you just grab the paddle and pull up and back it immediately comes free. If you go to www.marinerkayaks.com and call up the owners manual you can find this system described and some drawings of how it works. Mark

	Paddle park, Northwest Kayaks Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Jan-26-13 7:47 PM (EST)
	Is this a Northwest Kayak? If so, many of their models had/have the same cleat/bungee paddle park system as Mariner had.

	It's a Northwest kayak Posted by: Ted_from_Crockett_CA on Jan-26-13 9:51 PM (EST)
	and I guess the cleats were meant for a paddle park. I can see how it's a convenient system, but using 4" cleats seems like overkill. And the cleats don't have backing plates, or even washers, under the deck, and it seems like the poor leverage-to-support ratio could make them a liability when the boat's being cartopped or handled off the water. There might have been backing plates once, but it seems like most of the maintenance was done by an eight-year-old who had a tendency to lose things.

	Ted Posted by: mjamja on Jan-26-13 10:32 PM (EST)
	You might want to go through the Mariner owners manuals and read more about the paddle park and the bow painter and some of the rigging options. The cleats on my Mariner are also used to keep the bow painter in place. It allows the painter to be rotated and the painter attaches at the cleat which makes it easier to pick up a painter after it is realeased from a dock rather than having it tied to the bow toggle and also possible to tie in something for towing right at your cockpit, but then rotate it forward for towing and then rotate it back when time to release it. Mariner had some unique ideas about functional deck rigging. Mark

	It's a nice feature IMHO Posted by: LeeG on Jan-26-13 9:21 PM (EST)
	You have a problem with it?

	No problem, but Posted by: Ted_from_Crockett_CA on Jan-27-13 12:37 AM (EST)
	one of the cleats on the kayak is broken and I was wondering if it was functional enough to be worth replacing, or if I should try something else. I'll probably replace it for now--with a backing plate-- and see if I like it when the boat is repaired enough to be seaworthy.

	Check Posted by: LeeG on Jan-27-13 2:04 PM (EST)
	-- Last Updated: Jan-27-13 2:32 PM EST -- On my Mariner I had the cleats were kind of recessed and those on the .5 stick straight up in the air. You can set if up any way you want. I could see those hooking on other kayaks perimeter lines in a rescue. There's nothing written in stone you have to rig a kayak the way the manufacturer did. Basically the rigging is for your use, if you don't see a need get rid of them or try something else. I got used to having the recessed cleats on the Mariner so that when I outfitted other kayaks I ended up installing 1" webbing loops or a ss D ring on the foredeck for attaching a painter or quick tow line.