1ST DRY SUIT
Posted by: old_user on Jan-21-13 3:59 PM (EST) Category: unassigned
Looking to get my first dry suit... What do you recomond for where under it. One piece or two pices? I will be doing some white water in ohio / Pen area.. class 1-3..
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Both work well|
Posted by: clarion on Jan-21-13 4:07 PM (EST)
With a pzip?|
Posted by: Celia on Jan-21-13 4:38 PM (EST)
If so, I personally prefer two pieces. Also, I find that I more often sweat thru the top and want to change midday than the bottoms.
drysuit one piece|
Posted by: daggermat on Jan-21-13 4:52 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Jan-21-13 5:25 PM (EST)
it will have a Pzip.. and I didn't think about it, but I think I would just use it for paddling. are the garments usually just put over the jeans and t shirts?
Posted by: shiraz627 on Jan-21-13 5:40 PM (EST)
of course. I use multiple poly layers with my relief zipper suit.
Jeans under a dry suit....|
Posted by: Celia on Jan-21-13 9:19 PM (EST)
Personally I wouldn't do that, because the jeans are going to be stiff and may abrade the lining of that very expensive garment. And they have rivets and buttons and all kinds of things that would just bother me in the fairly tight spaces of a kayak.
Celia, they are|
Posted by: daggermat on Jan-22-13 8:55 AM (EST)
54% poly and I think 6% nylon. I'll look up more info on them when I get home. Very thin material for jeans, no rivets, and I've found them very appropriate on approx. 100 poling and paddling runs. They've never even been moist after a good poling session. I use them hiking as well.
OK - was thinking cotton|
Posted by: Celia on Jan-22-13 9:46 AM (EST)
That said, I have never really known what the name is for the synthetic pants that I tend to favor once temps start warming up. I suppose they could be called jeans as well...
no, just the "special" jeans|
Posted by: daggermat on Jan-22-13 9:19 AM (EST)
Yes two piece|
Posted by: Jaybabina on Jan-23-13 8:10 AM (EST)
I totally agree with Celia. I think every paddler has to do some experimentation with undergarments. Obviously wicking. I too find that if I do a longer cold weather paddle and stop for a lunch break, I change my top which will be quite damp. Actually I don't understand a 1 piece undergarment. Why? What's the advantage? And if it gets damp on top, then what?
Plus - get booties on the suit|
Posted by: Jaybabina on Jan-23-13 11:26 AM (EST)
Posted by: RubricOfRuin on Jan-21-13 5:46 PM (EST)
and some thin layers too|
Posted by: jcbikeski on Jan-21-13 5:54 PM (EST)
very light weight top and bottoms are great for days when you just barely need a drysuit and can be used as base layers below wool, etc. for extra warmth.
I think there's some confusion here|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Jan-21-13 5:55 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Jan-21-13 6:09 PM (EST)
for the confusion.. I'll be ordering a 1 piece suit this wendsday.. I'm just trying to figure out which is best for going under it. Thanks for the information..
One thought re wool underlayers|
Posted by: Celia on Jan-22-13 9:52 AM (EST)
I have to shy away from straight wool as a base layer because it makes me itch. But I can take wool as a layer over a super-wicking base one like CoolMax or the proprietary equivalents from sports stores. Just keep in mind that it is not necessarily one layer does all when it comes to drysuits, often a mix of two lighter layers works better.
Even merino wool?|
Posted by: old_user on Jan-22-13 5:16 PM (EST)
Have you tried 100% merino wool garments, such as Icebreaker?
Posted by: old_user on Jan-22-13 5:25 PM (EST)
Additionally, the 'no stink' and 'breathes really well' factors tend to make me like merino even more than fleece... and I like fleece.
Posted by: Celia on Jan-22-13 6:48 PM (EST)
I can do socks with a high amount of merino wool in them, but then again I have typically been able to handle more in the way of straight wool including scratchy rag socks on my feet than I can take in something like a long sleeve top.
Posted by: old_user on Jan-22-13 8:39 PM (EST)
agreed - it's a personal choice|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Jan-23-13 10:01 AM (EST)
Wool or synthetics.
Whoops! I meant the undergarments|
Posted by: Celia on Jan-22-13 9:48 AM (EST)
Will correct. A 2 piece dry suit is not dry in my experiences, just manageably wet in the right uses.
Posted by: johnysmoke on Jan-21-13 8:24 PM (EST)
EMS in Hingham MA has a sale on Kokatat front entry Gore tex drysuits, a size medium and a large, for $457.00...
If they have relief zips and booties|
Posted by: clarion on Jan-21-13 8:29 PM (EST)
Somebody ought to pounce
relief zippers and booties...|
Posted by: johnysmoke on Jan-21-13 9:04 PM (EST)
Posted by: clarion on Jan-21-13 9:08 PM (EST)
Best price on a new GFER I ever heard of
Posted by: Steve_in_Idaho on Jan-21-13 11:05 PM (EST)
That's what I wear directly under the dry suit when it's really cold. I have worn separate top & bottom fleece, but it crawled and bunched. No such problem with the union-suit. There are a few brands of long-johns that are 100% poly and not scratchy. I have some that fit snug and are very comfy. Those go against my skin as a wicking layer, then the fleece one-piece, then the drysuit. I haven't had problems with moisture collecting in the suit, even though I tend to work up a sweat. The one-piece has a two-way zipper, so I can take advantage of the pee-zip. Don't settle for less.
Ditto what Steve said, for 30 years|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Jan-22-13 1:10 AM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Jan-22-13 9:32 AM (EST)
I think I'm going to get the union-suit.. and then some other pieces to go over and under..
as a canoeist/poler|
Posted by: daggermat on Jan-22-13 9:38 AM (EST)
You might try these for $30 at STP|
Posted by: clarion on Jan-22-13 9:48 AM (EST)
Socks under and...|
Posted by: Celia on Jan-22-13 9:58 AM (EST)
regular paddling boots over. I have settled on beating the heck out of NRS's crew-height basic neo paddling boots until it gets to really cold stuff, then I go to a pair of diving dry boots that have the height of mukluks. And thicker neoprene for warmth. But lots of manufacturers have good basic boots and mukluks.
Posted by: old_user on Jan-22-13 2:35 PM (EST)
for all the info. Going to be ordering everything tomorrow, and I'd hate to order something that isn't right
Leave a half size up at least in booties|
Posted by: Celia on Jan-22-13 3:14 PM (EST)
When you order any footwear. Or at least try them on before getting them wet with a good sock and the bootie. My feet run small, so no matter how well the suit fits I am doing some folding over.
Posted by: manitou14 on Jan-23-13 10:13 PM (EST)
I bought a used kokatat gmer drysuit before xmas. Wife bought me the kokatat polartec fleece 1 pc liner for xmas. Love it.
Fold the collar down|
Posted by: Celia on Jan-24-13 8:21 AM (EST)
The way the Kokatat gaskets are shaped, there is plenty of room for a moderate little collar.
Posted by: svenkalmar on Jan-24-13 10:05 AM (EST)
merino wool. In summer i often just use netting set, if you know what i mean.
Posted by: old_user on Jan-24-13 12:53 PM (EST)
I ordered my suit today.. After talking with them they sugested that I order a xl to kinda try on.. Then they will order one with shorter sleves and legs.. I'm looking forward to getting it. Thanks for all the information.