I am looking at a used Yellowstone and a Morningstar.
Can anyone give me an idea on how each boat handles?
I have both canoeing and kayaking experience. I would like to use it for both tandem and solo river camping. I am planning an Everglades trip this winter which it would be used.
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Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Jan-01-13 9:13 PM (EST)
I assume you're looking at the Yellowstone tandem not the solo. I've never seen that boat, but it probably paddles very nicely. It has a bit more rocker than the Morningstar, so it may turn a bit more easily, which is more important for river paddling than open water paddling. A more turny boat requires a more refined correction stroke than a less turny boat.
I am looking for light weight|
Posted by: castoff on Jan-02-13 5:22 PM (EST)
The Bell Morningstar is the blackgold (carbon Kevlar), but a bit more than I have to spend and a very long drive. However, it is the one I would like to go for. If anyone has something for sale that is similar feel free to let me know. How does the Kevlar hold up?
Where else are you planning to paddle|
Posted by: kayamedic on Jan-01-13 10:30 PM (EST)
The MorningStar is a bit quicker which might be a help when you find yourself going against the tidal current. However if you intend to solo backwards from the bow seat..the less bow rocker in this case might cause some handling difficulties. Plus the Yellowstone has quite a few thwarts to contend with.
Best oyster bar in Florida ...|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Jan-02-13 11:10 AM (EST)
... is Posey's in Panacea.
Thanks for the input.|
Posted by: castoff on Jan-02-13 5:38 PM (EST)
I haven’t paddled the Glades but my wife and I are headed there this year. Sounds like you will beat us down there by about a month. I do have experience paddling the Ocklawaha, St. Johns, Silver, Santa Fe, Suwannee, Wekiva, Rock Springs, Juniper Springs Alexander springs, Salt springs, Hillsboro, and other central FL rivers and spring runs. I do like the twisty stuff. I live in SC and paddle the coastal marshes and piedmont and low country rivers class 2 at most. I have paddled WW on the Chattooga in a tandem canoe many years ago.
We might have derailed your initial |
Posted by: kayamedic on Jan-02-13 7:08 PM (EST)
question. Thanks Glenn for the diversion..now smacking my lips thinking of visiting Deals in Perry.
I have jewel key as a possible camp|
Posted by: castoff on Jan-02-13 11:41 PM (EST)
I have located a used wenona aurora and a reasonable price, and a mad river explorer in need of work on one gunnel for a very good price. The yellowstone is rollex.
You will like the Yellowstone|
Posted by: kayamedic on Jan-03-13 9:57 AM (EST)
more for Juniper, though again they rent Grummans there. But the Y will help you avoid many of the clients that are stuck across the river or upside down.
Yes I have seen the carnage|
Posted by: castoff on Jan-03-13 1:58 PM (EST)
Been paddling juniper of and on since the late 60s. I now go during the week if possible, and try to be first or last on the water.
I've learned to ask inside if there|
Posted by: kayamedic on Jan-03-13 3:31 PM (EST)
are school or church groups on the river irrespective of day of week.
What have you paddled previously?|
Posted by: bigspencer on Jan-02-13 9:30 PM (EST)
Can't go wrong|
Posted by: Kelsey5 on Jan-03-13 3:27 AM (EST)
I have a Yellowstone, and paddle it frequently on fast moving rivers. It eats up class II water, and is easy to maneuver on the slow stretches. It doesn't track well on flat water (not really meant to) but I have done some pretty long lake trips in it and it's serviceable if you're not in a hurry. I put a kneeling thwart in mine to solo, it's asymmetrical, so turning it around isn't a good idea. Morningstar is a very similar design, and would probably be a little quicker against the current. Certainly a LOT lighter, but don't know how big an issue that is to you vs. the increase in cost for b/g.
tough choice between these two boats|
Posted by: pblanc on Jan-03-13 10:15 AM (EST)
I can't recall ever paddling a Morningstar. I have paddled Royalex Yellowstone tandems a fair bit, and occasionally solo.
Haven't paddled either of them but...|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Jan-03-13 10:58 AM (EST)
... a guy in our local paddling club paddles a Morningstar as his dedicated solo boat. He uses a kneeling thwart. When watching him paddle the thing, I've never gotten the impression that it's much of a compromise to use it solo instead of tandem. It may be a little wide, and he's a pretty small guy, but one really doesn't see noticeable awkwardness in his stroke mechanics as a result. It's a nice cruiser as a solo, and reasonably maneuverable too, which is pretty much in agreement with what others are saying.
Have paddled both as a solo|
Posted by: kayamedic on Jan-03-13 11:06 AM (EST)
and they are too big for me flat. A tall guy with long arms will do better.
Be bold, castoff. Go for black-gold|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Jan-03-13 5:03 PM (EST)
So you say you want lightweight and will mainly paddle flat water. If the choice is between a 63 lb. Royalex hull and a similar 40 lb. black-gold hull, for me it would be NO CONTEST.
Posted by: castoff on Jan-03-13 10:05 PM (EST)
Now if I can make the same point at home...