Scorpio, Aquanaut HV RM, Etain 17-7 RM Just curious if anyone has paddled these boats loaded up to around 275lbs and if so how did they handle at that load? I bought a Delta 18.5 when I first started out but have since discovered I prefer the feel of lower volume boats. I plan to keep the Delta for camping and to bring friends and family out but I am looking for a day boat now. I'm 6'2, 275, I really liked the feel of the Tempest 170 after renting one in the summer for a couple of 2 hour paddles. I would have ordered one already but after seeing the stiffness of 3 layer poly in a shop I'm interested to see how it feels on the water. If anyone has any opinions on how the above boats paddle loaded I'd like to hear them.
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I liked the Scorpio|
Posted by: FrankNC on Dec-29-12 6:21 PM (EST)
Even the LV was fun for about 20 minutes. The seat in both of them makes my legs numb in about 20 minutes. For me the front deck height is low on both boats and there is not enough room to wiggle my legs arounf to stay comfy.
STRAIGHT GLASS AQUANAUT...|
Posted by: scupperfrank on Dec-29-12 8:56 PM (EST)
Posted by: dr_penner on Dec-30-12 10:47 AM (EST)
I have loaded up my Scorpio (full sized) with about 65 lbs of gear (I'm guessing) and my 220 lb self. Predictably it sits lower in the water, moves more slowly with the extra wet surface area. However it gets noticeably more stable, both primary and secondary. In rough wavy conditions I have less concern about capsize, but it does take more effort to turn such as to line up a small wave to surf.
I Paddle a Temptest|
Posted by: TomM on Dec-30-12 4:05 PM (EST)
I am 6'2" and weigh about 220 and have paddled fully loaded in all conditions and the boat handles great. Regarding stiffness: my boat is 4.5 years old and it definitely has some flex. There have been times offshore in easy swells that I can feel the hull beneath my butt flexing while I am not paddling. I don't know anything about hull design so I am not sure if plastic boats loosen with age or not.
Thank you for the opinions so far|
Posted by: BigandSmall on Dec-30-12 11:05 PM (EST)
Yes I really enjoyed the Tempest, excellent boat. I currently own two Tsunami SP's for my kids. The plastic is a little wavy down the hull but I'm sure that's my fault with the learning curve with roof racks and sunny days. They do however feel quite soft as did the 3 WS boats we rented compared to the 3 layer plastic boats I saw in the shops. What I'm wondering is if that stiffness will feel different on the water and worth the extra expense. What I really wonder though is if I'm asking these boats to carry too much load and being unrealistic. It's difficult scanning reviews to find other guys my size. Lots in the HV boats but not much for feedback in the mid-size models. I really appreciate the feedback so far.
Posted by: t.george on Dec-31-12 12:10 PM (EST)
I'm only about 155# and rarely paddle with more than 15-20# so can't answer your question directly. Also, my tempest is a composite, though I paddle both,(wilderness systems & dagger are both from Confluence so use the same plastic), a WS zephyr and a Dagger alchemy in plastic, surfing and rock gardening fairly often in both and see others doing much more of the same especially the alchemy. You might check out the yahoo Tempest Owners Group, where you could get a specific answer concerning the tempest,(great boat IMO).
Posted by: BigandSmall on Dec-31-12 12:41 PM (EST)
Passing along one bit|
Posted by: pikabike on Dec-31-12 1:27 PM (EST)
My husband used his glass Tempest 170 on a 10-day trip on Lake Powell. The combined weight of him and his gear/supplies was about 250-260 lbs. He had only paddled the boat empty a couple times before that trip but said the boat was very comfortable and easy to manage.
Posted by: bowler1 on Jan-01-13 7:51 AM (EST)
Without any real first hand experience, I would guess the scorpio would paddle best under a load. It seems to have more volume.
load and stability|
Posted by: NateHanson on Jan-01-13 9:02 AM (EST)
A kayak with an extra 75 pounds of provisions low in the hull will definitely become more stable. But a kayak with an extra 75 pounds of paddler weight will likely do the opposite. If you like the feel of the Tempest 170, I think you might find the Aquanaut to feel a little more tender.
Posted by: wavespinner on Jan-01-13 8:08 AM (EST)
Have paddled it loaded in conditions up to 25 kt. winds and 6' seas. Rock solid and handled well for a boat of its length.
can second this|
Posted by: Peter-CA on Jan-02-13 1:25 AM (EST)
I have a RM Aquanaut HV and use it for trips. I am 220# and had it loaded for a planned 8 dayer (so likely 50+ pounds of gear) and it was rock solid. Probably handled and felt better than when I paddle it unloaded.
Aquanaut HV RM|
Posted by: BigandSmall on Jan-02-13 11:43 AM (EST)
Everything I've read about this boat has been very positive. I'm surprised they discontinued it. I've looked at Fatpaddler.com many times checking the waterline. I tried unsuccessfully last summer to find inner cockpit dimensions on it between posting here and emailing Valley when I was looking to rent one. I see even with their new website they still don't have dimensions up for the boats. Hopefully the Etain is a good successor, it has big shoes to fill.
Posted by: BigandSmall on Jan-08-13 11:24 AM (EST)
I'd like to thank everyone for sharing their insight and experience with these boats. I was hoping someone was going to say one of them was unstable when loaded to narrow my list. They all sound excellent and will each have to be tried. I'll phone the relatives ahead of time and explain I won't have much time to visit...