What's the 'It' Boat in Sea Kayaks?
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-09-12 2:29 AM (EST) Category: Kayaks
Yeah it's a slightly silly question, but I overheard a couple of older guys discussing it at length at the kayak shop not long ago, was curious as to what ppl here thought.
'It' boat simply means the generally-regarded creme de la creme (our Lexus or Porsche), though obviously it's more about individual needs/preferences.
Their consensus seemed to be the Nordkapp was the 'It' boat 'back in the day', then the Explorer, then for a few years it was the Cetus, and now it's either the Xplore (Tiderace) or the Nordlow.
I've only been in the sport a fairly short time, so I can't comment on what paddlers thought 'back in the day'. Any old farts wanna speak up? ;)
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Posted by: drjay9051 on Dec-09-12 7:52 AM (EST)
In my mind the "it" kayak is the one that fits like a glove, does what you need it to do and just feels right. i do not think there is in reality an "it" boat which is universally appropriate for all paddlers.
The "It" Boat...|
Posted by: VK1NF on Dec-09-12 9:54 AM (EST)
...doesn't exist - it so depends on the paddler and their waters, skill level, weather, and host of other factors.
It=can have just one.|
Posted by: magooch on Dec-09-12 10:20 AM (EST)
For me the "It" boat would be which kayak you would choose if you could only have one. That boat for me--without any reservations, or hesitation would be the Novus Composites (NC) Expedition. Another way to put it would be, if you could have any boat, what would it be? Again it is the NC Expedition.
The two I have for sale : )|
Posted by: Yanoer on Dec-09-12 10:35 AM (EST)
I think people should fight to get them before someone else does.
Absolutely no doubt that it is ...|
Posted by: Dr_Disco on Dec-09-12 11:00 AM (EST)
the Pamlico 140 with the gray thing.
awww... not a Pungo? =] |
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-09-12 11:38 AM (EST)
Nothing like aging out....|
Posted by: Celia on Dec-09-12 11:17 AM (EST)
People coming into this sport now do realize that even a pretty darned old modern sea kayak is still younger than the house they may have grown up in.... yes?
Celia, Now that would be my kind of|
Posted by: shirlann on Dec-17-12 12:58 AM (EST)
boat and I'd be right behind you in line.
one you can stand up on.|
Posted by: radiomix on Dec-09-12 12:01 PM (EST)
Their isn't one|
Posted by: FrankNC on Dec-09-12 1:47 PM (EST)
Romany, Nordcap, Capella all fought for attention.
so it's *only* about material?|
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-10-12 3:46 PM (EST)
If the Xplore, Aries, and Pilgrim came in plastic, would they still be considered "junk" to you? (the Scorpio is 'sorta kinda' the Cetus in plastic, depending who you ask & how exacting they are).
Posted by: BigandSmall on Dec-10-12 6:44 PM (EST)
If they made a Pilgrim in 3 layer plastic or thermoformed I'd have one hanging in my garage for my wife. Maybe one for my daughter too.
Newbtastic - yes to plastic|
Posted by: FrankNC on Dec-10-12 8:33 PM (EST)
In fact the Delphin is the plastic Aries and a wonderful boat that we considered getting, but we decided to get an Alchemy.
Doesn't exactly answer the 'why' though|
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-13-12 5:25 PM (EST)
... as in, why is composite 'junk'? =[
Posted by: bignate on Dec-20-12 6:00 PM (EST)
If you're going to make a sweeping statement about a bunch of generally well-regarded boats being "junk" then you really should at least try and substantiate it.
You were actually replying to FrankNC|
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-20-12 8:52 PM (EST)
Correct....intended to reply to FrankC|
Posted by: bignate on Dec-21-12 9:17 AM (EST)
Posted by: FrankNC on Dec-25-12 7:48 PM (EST)
I do stand by the statement that composite boats are generally junk. Recently a few rough water symposiums have quit providing composite boats as rentals because of the damages caused to them in classes.
Posted by: ezwater on Dec-09-12 3:07 PM (EST)
...it's on the tip of your tongue.
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-09-12 9:29 PM (EST)
are gross. :(
Hummm, I'll play. |
Posted by: emanoh on Dec-09-12 9:58 PM (EST)
I get what you're saying or trying to get at. Yeah, yeah, the perfect boat is the one that fits you, but the original poster tossed this out for discussion.
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-10-12 3:32 PM (EST)
Somebody gets it. ;)
Quite hot now|
Posted by: Peter-CA on Dec-09-12 10:26 PM (EST)
condolences on their recent fire =(|
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-10-12 2:31 AM (EST)
Posted by: Dr_Disco on Dec-09-12 10:51 PM (EST)
I do know of a kayak I think is very innovative and that I would love to have. It is the Epic V6 Tourer. So far as I know there is nothing else like it. But I also know there would not be a ground swell of enthusiasm from Paddling.net'ers for my choice. At least not now. But I think that surf ski style touring kayaks and wing paddles are the future. Except, of course, for the Pamlico 140, which is now the Pungo 140.
Kayak in a box|
Posted by: emanoh on Dec-09-12 11:50 PM (EST)
Celia, ask and you shall receive. Not quite a box, but you could fold it in your trunk.
Posted by: Celia on Dec-10-12 7:37 AM (EST)
It even has a handle....
Posted by: willowleaf on Dec-10-12 9:33 AM (EST)
Posted by: Kudzu on Dec-10-12 9:56 AM (EST)
Someone posed the question recently... What's next for paddling?...Mr. Stamer replied 'lighter' for competitive reasons. I replied 'lighter' for just less hassle and misery reasons.
I'm very interested in that boat|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Dec-10-12 2:56 PM (EST)
I'm hoping to demo one this spring. Very intrigued. Wondering about increase in potential hull speed vs. being exposed on weeklong trips.
Posted by: ppine on Dec-10-12 11:58 AM (EST)
Its been a sport and a way of life for many thousands of years.
'it' is not a single boat anymore|
Posted by: nickjc on Dec-10-12 12:29 PM (EST)
It's a quiver of boats due to the specialization of hull shapes. A rock-garden, surf or play boat and an expedition boat.
Can't be answered|
Posted by: sternman on Dec-10-12 1:04 PM (EST)
This question really can't be answered. It's whatever makes you smile. There are many that can do a little of everything but not one kayak that can do it all. I have six kayaks because I enjoy the variety. Each one is a little special in it's own way. ;-)
Posted by: slushpaddler on Dec-10-12 2:55 PM (EST)
Even in the automotive world there are "it" rides for different uses. Heck, I don't think I could pick one "it" boat for sea kayaking. An Epic 18X and a Romany Surf would satisfy me.
Posted by: abc on Dec-10-12 4:08 PM (EST)
- If by "it", implies a boat that does everything better than other boats, it doesn't exist. The list of "best" in any particular category are not the same for other characteristic. So there's not one boat that's better in all area.
if you have to ask...|
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-10-12 4:25 PM (EST)
...you'll never get 'it'. ;)
If I Could Have Only One Boat|
Posted by: Kudzu on Dec-10-12 5:06 PM (EST)
it would be a composite Tempest 165 with the seat moved back some. But to put it in the Porsche category you need to knock 8-12 pounds off of it.
Posted by: abc on Dec-11-12 4:19 PM (EST)
Top 10 this
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-11-12 7:09 PM (EST)
"Yargle bargle, you damn kids, git off my lawn!!" =D
Now that you've realized...|
Posted by: abc on Dec-11-12 11:36 PM (EST)
the question was more than just "a little" silly, play on with your silly game!
will do, gramps =)|
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-12-12 12:36 AM (EST)
the last "it" car...|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Dec-10-12 4:38 PM (EST)
...was the Pontiac Aztek.
Posted by: edzep on Dec-10-12 5:32 PM (EST)
I laughed every time I saw that car on screen. In fact, I smile or laugh whenever I see one in traffic. I don't point and ridicule. Hopefully the drivers just think I'm in a good mood.
Nah. AMC Pacer/Gremlin...|
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-10-12 5:46 PM (EST)
...in atomic lime-green. Most hideous car ever made. =o
Posted by: Kudzu on Dec-10-12 6:12 PM (EST)
The Pacer was a hideous, ugly piece of sh**.
do you remember the Levi's version?|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Dec-11-12 10:05 AM (EST)
Don't Recall Ever Seeing One|
Posted by: Kudzu on Dec-11-12 12:10 PM (EST)
I thought they looked cool with oversized wheels & tires on the back... with a black paint job.
I miss those cars|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Dec-11-12 1:47 PM (EST)
I still have the hot wheels version.
Posted by: Kudzu on Dec-12-12 8:29 AM (EST)
One of the more clever personalized license plates I've seen was on the back of a Pacer. "MY EGG"
lol, true dat =]|
Posted by: old_user on Dec-29-12 5:35 PM (EST)
Hey I owned a gremlin|
Posted by: dc9mm on Dec-11-12 12:17 PM (EST)
Hey I owned a 1974 Gremlin lime green manual sterring 3 speed stick am radio and it had points that needed replacment every few months. College car for $300. Solid transportion. Dont be dissing my old Gremlin, with snow tires it blasted through the snow. To bad I dont have any pictures of that old ugly car but bar far uglyest car ever was by Volkswagon it was called the "Thing". Not that was ugly, made a Pacer or Gremlin look good.
I almost bought an Aztek....|
Posted by: kayak_bob on Dec-11-12 2:28 PM (EST)
I almost bought an Aztek....Not because they were cool looking - but for the total opposite reason...
the "It boat"|
Posted by: RavenWing on Dec-10-12 6:01 PM (EST)
is the one which supplies filler to the kayak mags. Even if the reviews of the "it boat" are done by its sponsored paddlers and/or dealers.
Posted by: TomM on Dec-10-12 8:58 PM (EST)
A proper IT Kayak would have a 1024 bit dual servo controlled propulsion system cross connected to a redundant RAID 5 navigation control system with everything connected to a 12 core Linux server via an OC3 backbone.
For me, whatever "IT" is|
Posted by: jmyers on Dec-10-12 9:52 PM (EST)
has gotta weigh less tha 35 pounds. That's it!
maybe helium in sealed hatches|
Posted by: jcbikeski on Dec-11-12 12:21 PM (EST)
or for the adventurous hydrogen. Maybe light enough you can walk/float it in the air to the water. Maybe make it from that anti-gravity stuff they mine in Avatar.
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-11-12 1:40 PM (EST)
Das Hindenburg kayak!!! =0
Posted by: LeeG on Dec-11-12 7:08 PM (EST)
Posted by: wandatibbs on Dec-11-12 12:10 AM (EST)
One of two.|
Posted by: Cliffjrs on Dec-11-12 6:21 PM (EST)
The one I'm in or the one I'm not.
The it boat|
Posted by: old_user on Dec-13-12 12:28 PM (EST)
is an Illusion ;^)
now in xtra crispy!|
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-15-12 3:36 PM (EST)
Not funny to me... |
Posted by: t.george on Dec-16-12 10:34 AM (EST)
I find no humor at others misfortune, i.e. holocost jokes ect. Making a joke of someone's accidental loss in their ability to make their morgage, put bread on the table or continue to grow a small business is poor taste at best IMO. Maybe I'm extra aware since I'm self employed; living the american dream,(one accident away from going belly up fiscally).
I know , I know – too soon.|
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-16-12 12:06 PM (EST)
But as one who has been through some tragedies, I find that, eventually, you do have to be able to laugh about it.
Just paddled it!|
Posted by: FrankNC on Dec-18-12 8:37 AM (EST)
Valley Gemini SP. Fit a very much smaller friend and fit big me!
Fit big you?|
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-18-12 2:28 PM (EST)
Valley's website says 'Max suitable load 190 lbs' for the Geminis.
Posted by: slushpaddler on Dec-18-12 3:40 PM (EST)
Fit big me 224 plus gear|
Posted by: FrankNC on Dec-18-12 8:08 PM (EST)
I guess I'm way over the limit. But I didn't feel like it. Even my long term goal weight of 200 is more than the weighted rate.
Good to know, thanks|
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-19-12 2:03 AM (EST)
I'll sell you my kevlar Eclipse 17|
Posted by: Yanoer on Dec-18-12 9:56 PM (EST)
Nice boat, but too big for me.
old fart speaking|
Posted by: wilsoj2 on Dec-20-12 5:54 AM (EST)
Well, I'm not old as far as serious paddling, only dedicated paddler for 12-15 years.
good post, thanks|
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-20-12 5:41 PM (EST)
A Path to Your Door|
Posted by: Kudzu on Dec-21-12 10:05 AM (EST)
Newbtastic, here's your opportunity: Develop a mass producible skin boat with all the features of a regular sea kayak - skeg, bulkheads & hatch covers, keyhole cockpit. That will be the IT boat among us light weight aficionados.
If it were that easy...|
Posted by: NewbTastic on Dec-21-12 7:19 PM (EST)
...wouldn't someone have done it already? o_0
Posted by: Kudzu on Dec-22-12 5:00 AM (EST)
Posted by: gjf12 on Dec-25-12 5:48 PM (EST)
One should first decide whether one's IT boat would have a rudder or not. My IT boat would certainly have one. But I prefer to have two IT boats one with and one without a rudder. The ruddered IT boat would be more IT for me than the rudderless IT boat.
You only need one boat|
Posted by: Dr_Disco on Dec-25-12 10:25 PM (EST)
Just put up the rudder. :-)
Posted by: gjf12 on Dec-26-12 11:41 AM (EST)
Seems to me that the best IT boats without a rudder would be spoiled by adding a rudder. And the best ruddered boats do not function as well without one. So two IT boats are definitely desireable.
This boat went 21,000 one trip|
Posted by: paddletothesea on Dec-26-12 10:49 AM (EST)
Arguably the best expedition boat around. Holds 11-distance paddling records including this 2 1/2 year trip from N. Canada to tip of cape horn S America.
west side boat shop thunderbolt|
Posted by: davemcadoo on Dec-27-12 12:56 PM (EST)
Designed, built and raced by doug bushnell. Three years in a row Doug won Blackburn challenge 20 mile ocean race out of Gloucester, mass- out around cape ann with huge waves breaking against sheer cliffs. Stay in your boat as you are hit sideways by huge waves or die against the sharp rocks. And my time for 20 miles was 3hr25minutes. About one hour faster than a brit boat such as nordkapp or romany. Then 3 years in a row I did blackburn in the it boat for me, a 20 in wide eft version of the 18 in wide tbolt. Twice I did the 90 miler and once the 70 miler in my tbolt. For about 2 grand and 25#, the graphite with understern is totally bulletproof. BUilt here in the USA. The chinese built epic boats have had many rudder problems. I won a medal in the eft at usca touring class nationals. And it turns like a ferrari with 2in or 6 in understern rudder with tiller steering.