Posted by: ADNelson on Dec-06-12 6:40 AM (EST) Category: unassigned
I refer mostly to my polyethelene kayak but also to a fiberglass canoe, when I ask if some dragging of them on the ground is permissable.
I realize that rocks of any kind must be avoided, but is it ok to drag them on grass, or even sand?
I have never portaged, but I would never drag a boat on a trail because of the material that may be under the leaves. I just wonder about sand and grass, and if a particular material is more vulnerable.
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Posted by: rpg51 on Dec-06-12 6:59 AM (EST)
Dragging will beat the heck out of the hull. But there are times when it is the only way. I guess I would say that if I have a gorgeous kevlar boat with gelcoat I'm going to do everything in my power to avoid dragging it. On the other hand, I do own royalex canoes that I'll admit I treat in the same way you might treat an old pick up truck with 150,000 miles on it. A lot of dragging will cause damage over time and shorten the life of a boat - but sometimes on certain trips and situations I've been known to drag my boats. I plead guilty to that.
Sand is maybe the worst|
Posted by: Celia on Dec-06-12 9:01 AM (EST)
It literally acts like sandpaper. No big obvious dings from an individual drag, but over time it will leave you needing to do some repair.
Sand isn't as bad as old, rough concrete|
Posted by: ezwater on Dec-06-12 4:58 PM (EST)
Sand grains are rounded, and to a certain extent will roll on a hull dragged over them. Grit in concrete just sits there and cuts.
Posted by: ADNelson on Dec-07-12 6:28 AM (EST)
I do not have one, and I had forgotten about them. For me, though, they are too expensive, and I just wanted to know how damaging dragging the hull on the ground would be. I have only done so on grass so far, but I will be much more careful now!
When you have the resources....|
Posted by: Celia on Dec-07-12 7:04 AM (EST)
This little cart is cheaper than the rest and will work over a smooth surface as long as the boat has perimeter lines or some other rigging to run the strap through. It tends to comes up on sale at Amazon and places like Outdoor Play if you check regularly.
I've been dragging a 110lb tandem....|
Posted by: kaptynkayak on Dec-07-12 1:23 PM (EST)
....fiberglass kayak on sand since we bought it in 1998 w/o much wear and tear showing. Also I drag our plastic kayaks on sand fairly often with minimal wear and tear showing. Of course I am talking about nice soft beach sand and I never drag my carbon/kevlar boat on anything.
Same here with our 100 pound |
Posted by: jackl on Dec-08-12 1:04 PM (EST)
Posted by: paddletothesea on Dec-06-12 11:13 AM (EST)
Depends on YOUR view. I look at a boat as a tool. A means to get from point A-to B. I drag mine a lot since I do a lot of upstream paddling. However my boat is also the strongest production layup of any boat in the world with 12- layers of kevlar. In 2004 I paddled 2400 miles upstream on the Missouri, by the time you reach Montana, the rivers are shallow and are a drop-pool type flow...so you have to get out and drag through to the next pool. Plenty of scuff and even down to the kevlar cloth!! Not a big deal considering its been dragged nearly 3000 miles by now. Ive only had to add a little gel coat one time. Again I look at it as a tool. I USE my boat to get me places. I dont polish and wax my wrenches and screwdrivers do I? So why worry (FEAR) about the bottom of the boat. It will still last a lifetime. I think I would worry if my boat did not have as strong of a hull and would probably baby it. But I also drag my MR Explorer too. I prefer good tools---Craftsman, Black & Decker.....NOT Kmart Blue Light Specials.....same goes for my gear. Use it!!!
Paddletothesea made me smile...|
Posted by: rjd9999 on Dec-06-12 11:40 AM (EST)
Since I at least 1/2 agree with his attitude (for the most part). However, dragging boats over sand can be fairly destructive and will take off material. I avoid doing any damage I can, but I don't stress about damage that does occur through use.
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Posted by: willowleaf on Dec-06-12 12:20 PM (EST)
Holling Clancy Holling's lovely "Paddle to the Sea" was my favorite book as a child (it helped that we lived in Michigan at the time and I had visited all the Great Lakes on family camping trips). My siblings and I literally wore the book to shreds but I have a newer copy. It is still available in reprint,
It's all relative|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Dec-06-12 11:59 AM (EST)
Posted by: shiraz627 on Dec-06-12 12:14 PM (EST)
Grass without question for me and it |
Posted by: string on Dec-06-12 12:39 PM (EST)
depends on the 'sand'. I've never considered fine sand like our beaches a problem for an empty poly boat. The sand in our upstate lakes is very course with lots of rock in it. That will result in a repair if you do it often.
common sense and moderation|
Posted by: jcbikeski on Dec-06-12 1:24 PM (EST)
I drag my fiberglass boat 20 feet over fine wet sand all the time to move it close to the water for launch. Longer distances, courser sand or worse then I carry the boat. All you have to do is monitor the effects and if too much either better protect the bottom or don't drag as much. There are no rules, it's your boat and your unique situations. I try to neither baby nor abuse my boats to get the most fun.
I drag plastic all gthe time|
Posted by: Peter-CA on Dec-06-12 7:40 PM (EST)
I drag my plastic boat all the time. The rock gardening I do is much harder than dragging. But I also choose when and where. The sand we have here is decomposed granite, and usually pretty rounded, so dragging seems fine. Dirt also seems fine, especially if there is plant life on it (which can make it easier on the boat - but is tough on the plants). Concrete launch ramps and barnacle covered or sharp rocks are no nos. And this I only do with my plastic boat - wouldn't do it with composite.
lpaddling can be be a drag or not....|
Posted by: tdaniel on Dec-07-12 10:03 AM (EST)
I'm pretty much a boat slob. Hardly ever washem, I draggem if thats the easiest way to get to where I'm goin'. Some of my boats have deep gouges. I'm not a composite type of guy. I found that out over 30 years ago when plastic kayaks were still pretty new and I spent all of my time patching fiberglass. That being said, I'm not a total Neanderthal. I get it. There are many real advanages to composites.
if you drag the plastic boat .........|
Posted by: pilotwingz on Dec-07-12 10:44 AM (EST)
...... across the sand and dirt , through the woods and rubble ... that should negate any nessesity of shaving the hull .
Posted by: tdaniel on Dec-07-12 1:29 PM (EST)
Posted by: ADNelson on Dec-08-12 11:29 AM (EST)
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Posted by: clydehedlund on Dec-07-12 1:46 PM (EST)
And not $5000.00 high tech super light weight composite surfskis or outrigger canoes. All my Zuma Twos, Scupper Classics are all scratched up and grooved out all over. Even my 3 man Cobra too. These boats are super heavy, how else are kids going to move them. I don't recommend carrying them either, for you'll bust your back or something doing so. These boats are cheaper than paying medical bills. So drag them, for that's what I do and I tell the kids to do so too. I only carry the lightweight 17 lbs outrigger and 22 lbs surfski.
A slight word of caution|
Posted by: willi_h2o on Dec-07-12 3:08 PM (EST)
Posted by: ADNelson on Dec-08-12 11:34 AM (EST)
I would never do that! Only some very gentle dragging on grass.
thats why we moved to glass|
Posted by: kayamedic on Dec-08-12 1:29 PM (EST)
our particular plastic boat once it had a hole worn in the stern at the point of the vee was impossible to fix.
What about snow?|
Posted by: pblanc on Dec-08-12 11:09 AM (EST)
Posted by: ADNelson on Dec-08-12 11:40 AM (EST)
I think that I am ok with dragging my kayak n snow. I will watch out for trees, though.
Posted by: ADNelson on Dec-08-12 2:10 PM (EST)
Thanks, everyone, for your advice. I have determined that my kayak agrees with grass, but I will always carry it when asphalt/rocks/ concrete are present.
Posted by: ppine on Dec-10-12 12:03 PM (EST)
I have dragged boats over beaver dams that are made of wood and organic debris, but really don't drag loaded boats hardly at all. Lining is a much better option, or portaging when required.