Throw bag curiosity.
Posted by: t.george on Dec-05-12 9:51 AM (EST) Category: unassigned
A few questions:
What percentage of those you paddle with carry throw bags,(not counting dedicated tow lines)?
What percentage of them have the throw bag quickly available?
Have you ever seen practice with throw bags on a paddle?
Do you know if you can throw from your boat & if so how far & what changes as far as throw technique?
If you miss, how long does it take you for a second try?
An interesting point brought up by the earlier post, what if you need a second try & can't reach the water; how do you deploy for mutiple throws?
These are all good questions IMO. I must admit, I'm not happy with some of my own answers. omething to think about.
All the best, t.george
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Posted by: ezwater on Dec-05-12 9:54 AM (EST)
A throw bag is more useful than a big knife, but I've gone many miles without ever using either one.
Probably your multiple questions have|
Posted by: kayamedic on Dec-05-12 10:02 AM (EST)
Posted by: Dr_Disco on Dec-05-12 10:15 AM (EST)
I only carry one on WW trips. For sea kayaking I carry a tow rope. Can't think of any reason to have a throw rope on a sea kayaking trip. On WW you throw from the bank, not from your boat. If you miss, in most circumstances, that is it. The person is on down the river. If they are caught in a hole it is pretty easy to pull the rope in, dip the bag in the water, and throw again. Everyone on any trip I am willing to go on will be wearing a life jacket.
Posted by: pblanc on Dec-05-12 10:32 AM (EST)
Recent Dale Briggs video on topic|
Posted by: clarion on Dec-05-12 11:20 AM (EST)
Pete, here is a Dale video showing the things you mentioned in terms of throwing from the boat, having someone else hold yours, and snacks. Oh wait, you didn't mention snacks. But they are my favorite part.
Always In Easy Reach|
Posted by: wildernesswebb on Dec-05-12 10:58 AM (EST)
yes and no|
Posted by: desertdave on Dec-05-12 11:33 AM (EST)
I carry a throwbag and pin kit when WW kayaking. I also have the class V vest. I was trained to coil the rope in the throwing hand and to toss a coil if a second attempt is needed. I can't coil very fast, but I have tossed a coil nearly as far as a stuffed bag.
Bay Area Sea Kayakers|
Posted by: Peter-CA on Dec-05-12 1:34 PM (EST)
You didn't say what type of kayaking...
A few thoughts, and a lesson learned...|
Posted by: PJC on Dec-05-12 2:06 PM (EST)
Practice with the bag you will use!
Posted by: mrmannerz on Dec-05-12 5:02 PM (EST)
I paddle mostly flat water but I always have a throw bag in the canoe and it is clipped to a thwart for easy access. Yes, I can throw it. As the other guy said earlier, it is more useful than a big knife. If there is anyone else around when I am out, I am likely the most experienced, probably the only one with any rescue training (and probably the only one wearing a PFD). When I'm done for the day, I just clip it to my pfd...it never gets forgotten.
Posted by: TommyC1 on Dec-05-12 5:45 PM (EST)
A few things|
Posted by: jimyaker on Dec-05-12 6:23 PM (EST)
Throwing a bag from a boat is always a risky endeavor, especially if you haven't carefully considered what is likely to happen when the full force of a swimmer is applied. If someone is on shore to grab your boat, you might be just as well to hand them the bag and let them make the throw.
Posted by: jimyaker on Dec-05-12 6:43 PM (EST)
Dunk your bag|
Posted by: bluemerle on Dec-05-12 8:54 PM (EST)
Dunk your bag at the beginning of your trip. A wet bag/rope will be more accurate and travel farther.
the situation happened to my husband|
Posted by: kayamedic on Dec-05-12 9:02 PM (EST)
I was in the water on the Snake River(Yukon) and the river is rimmed by canyon walls. 200 feet tall on one side and 20 feet down on the other. Dipping is not possible. What you hope for is being able to snag the swimmer and direct him/her to a shelf, where they may be able to climb up the sloping rock with assistance from the rope.
What I do|
Posted by: QCHiker on Dec-05-12 9:16 PM (EST)
disagree on dunk|
Posted by: angstrom on Dec-11-12 4:48 PM (EST)
Depends on the bag and rope. I ripped up my shoulder trying to throw a heavy wet bag this summer. It was a large bag of NFPA nylon core, polypro sheath rescue line that got a LOT heavier when wet. Tried to make a maximum-distance throw from an awkward position and it's still not fully healed.
Posted by: Mattt on Dec-06-12 2:39 PM (EST)
of the people I routinely paddle rivers with, I'd guess a good 50% or more do cary a throw bag and have it easily accesible. That group is all canoes - a few people I go with will use kayaks, and a few of those will have a throwrope. Most of the people who don't have one are newbies.
I carry on small streams|
Posted by: randy_morgart on Dec-07-12 10:06 AM (EST)
And have used it once on the Buffalo. We do practice on warm lunch breaks sometimes.
Throw bag for the Sea|
Posted by: FrankNC on Dec-07-12 3:30 PM (EST)
I've king of change up my gear a bit. Now I carry a short tow attached to the belt on my jacket and I carry a throw rope.
I've made them and bought them...|
Posted by: rikjohnson on Dec-07-12 10:46 AM (EST)
>>What percentage of those you paddle with carry throw bags,(not counting dedicated tow lines)?
Always carry one...|
Posted by: eckilson on Dec-07-12 7:52 PM (EST)
I threw a rope once in a non-practice situation at the Springdale rapid on the Quinapoxet River. It was a lousy throw and my target couldn’t reach the rope – I had no time for a second throw. I caught up with him downstream about an hour later after he retrieved his boat.
Posted by: thebob.com on Dec-08-12 12:49 PM (EST)
When do I carry it?
My paddling partner was so ready w/ his|
Posted by: clarion on Dec-11-12 5:16 PM (EST)
... he plunked me right in the face with it -- full-on overhand throw -- from 15 feet away. And when I regained consciousness I still had hold of my boat and paddle!
throw bags |
Posted by: ppine on Dec-12-12 6:28 PM (EST)
The nature of your questions suggests you have never used one. Paddle moving water and you need throw bags in every boat. Practice using them. Then all of your questions will be answered.
Only new to the kayaks this year...|
Posted by: t.george on Dec-12-12 7:27 PM (EST)
...all my previous experience with throw bags are from shore as a support person for swift water rescue, lots of practice with throws & re-throws. More curious about the differences in practical application. Some good info on ww vs. sea kayak use ect.
Posted by: bluemerle on Dec-18-12 9:31 PM (EST)
Posted by: seakayaking on Dec-19-12 10:31 AM (EST)
only used mine in practice and to tie up 20 odd seakayaks that couldn't fit on the beach , also used for a drying line mostly