I need some assistance from a Nordkapp owner please. I have a Nordkapp H20 that has a foam seat and I am planning on installing a new seat in it (actually putting an NDK glass seat in it)
My issue is that I need to get some measurements to ensure that I get the seat placement right. I want to place it such that it has the same fore and aft position as the factory seat to ensure that the boat has the trim that the manufacturer intended (since this will affect boat handling). Right now I think the current foam seat may be a little too far forward, but I am not sure of the precise position.
Would someone please be so kind as to measure their Nordkapp and tell me the distance from the center of the backband to the inside edge of the rear cockpit coaming?
Also would you please tell me where the center of the hip pads on the sides of the seat lie in relation to the seat mounting bolts that are in the side of the boat? From pictures it appears that the center of the seat pads lies roughly in line with the rear-most mounting bolt, but I would like to confirm this.
thanks for your help!
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Posted by: rusty125 on Nov-20-12 8:18 PM (EST)
My Nordy was built a year or two before they switched to the plastic bolt-in seat. I cut out the glass seat and replaced it with a foam one a few years ago, and have replaced that one again since.
Posted by: bowler1 on Nov-20-12 8:40 PM (EST)
I certainly agree with you about the kit in the hatches, but I will primarily be paddling it empty and that is why I want to have the seat located where Valley determined it was "optimal" for trim for an empty boat.
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Posted by: onnopaddle on Nov-20-12 9:00 PM (EST)
is going to be right ... Mo' betta' test and R&D yourself for your weight and intended loads and waters. Call me if you want more info here.
Valley seat location|
Posted by: gnarlydog on Nov-21-12 12:03 AM (EST)
..."I want to have the seat located where Valley determined it was "optimal" for trim for an empty boat."...
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Posted by: blackboat on Nov-21-12 12:31 AM (EST)
about the Nordkapp's stability ??? Sure, it's a little loose in the middle.....but put it on edge and it's as solid as leaning on a dock. As for seat placement, I've always used foamies and rigged them to be velcro adjustable to and fro. The trick is to use 1 1/2 inch sew on velcro on both surfaces and glue it on using 4200 fast cure. Never comes loose.
Posted by: blackboat on Nov-21-12 12:33 AM (EST)
.............you should've kept that Inuk and by now the H20 would feel really really stable.
Posted by: bowler1 on Nov-21-12 5:06 AM (EST)
Kayak Trim |
Posted by: gstamer on Nov-21-12 3:32 PM (EST)
The factory placement is a "one-size-fits-all" WAG. While it can be a useful benchmark, you can do much better by adjusting the seat placement to suit your body (and your gear load).
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Posted by: moparharn on Nov-23-12 9:01 AM (EST)
every boat I have ever owned except my Epic. Why would you want a composite seat that is a one size fits all when you could custom fit a minicell seat to give you any conceivable fit? Pad out the hips, set the height exactly as you want it, angle, back contact, lay back roll comfort, you name it. Most race cars have custom form fitted seats (at least the high end ones), I owned a few Nordkapps and a custom was critical to my enjpying them as I did. A properly fitted Nordkapp is, in my opinion, a top three production boat of all time. With a factory seat I would not even own one. JMO Bill
Posted by: bowler1 on Nov-23-12 7:55 PM (EST)
Agree that a properly fitting seat is essential. This is why I am installing a new seat-the NDK high performance glass seat.
I must say, your explaination is clear|
Posted by: moparharn on Nov-24-12 8:46 AM (EST)
and well reasoned. You sound like you really know what you want, soooooooooo lets move on to how to get that puppy in there. Are the original ears (composite drops from the coming) still there? Was the boat an original glass seat boat? There should be evidence of where the original drops were (non gelcoated strip). If the drops are already there in sufficient length to re-attach, the project should be a little easier. Some of my Vallet seats were hung rather than laid. Is this seat you plan on using a hung seat or a laid seat. Am I even correct in assuming that you want to glass the seat in into the boat using drops from the coaming? When I cut out my seats I usually use a dremel cut off wheel so that the material I remove is at an absolute minimum. If your seat is laid in you could use a few mounting holes so that the fore and aft position is adjustable, the trick here is getting a wide enough drop to put multiple holes in. I will shut up now and ad more if it sounds like you want me to take it further. Even the hung seats had supporting foam on the bottom, so in the final analysis I am not sure there will be a big difference in doing what you are trying to accomplish. Bill
Posted by: bowler1 on Nov-25-12 7:24 AM (EST)
thanks, Bill for the installation advice.
I am not familiar with the seat you are|
Posted by: moparharn on Nov-25-12 8:31 AM (EST)
using. At my weight, the Nordkapp set low enough to be less effected by weather cocking. My bigger problem was elevating my hips enough to get my shoulders flat on the deck. Never could do this, I think more because of the 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag syndrome than the seat placement. I wonder if you could machine a dove tail into the mounting blocks and then mount a dove tailed rail onto the side of the boat. This would allow you to move the seat fore and aft. Epic does this with their seat, but only theirs is mounted on the bottom rather than the two sides. If you find the unloaded neutral point you could mount the seat there and load your boat as evenly as possible. Would like to see a picture of your finished product. Kayak seats are probably one of the least developed areas of the kayak and are second only to the paddle for having the largest impact on the paddling experience. Good luck. Bill
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Posted by: PHILIPJEDLICKA on Nov-25-12 5:33 PM (EST)
Posted by: Emanoh on Nov-25-12 11:15 PM (EST)
I am about to do the exact same project with a recently acquired NDK greenlander pro. Anyone have any feed back on the NDK foam seats avail on the web?
Posted by: old_user on Nov-26-12 2:23 AM (EST)
Happy Bottom seat pad|
Posted by: PHILIPJEDLICKA on Nov-26-12 3:55 PM (EST)
Sorry forgot to add link
Posted by: bowler1 on Nov-26-12 7:57 PM (EST)
thanks for all the seat advice.