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  Is neoprene really waterproof?
  Posted by: Waterbird on Nov-13-12 8:43 PM (EST)
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I thought it was. I find my Chota mukluks are waterproof for a few minutes. If I stand in the water longer than a few minutes, I start to feel a minute amount of water seeping through.

Is it coming through a hole or a seam, or does it seep through the neoprene itself with longer immersion?

Boots are a few years old. I never noticed this problem before, but I never stood in the water for very long until recently.

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  Pretty sure
  Posted by: rpg51 on Nov-13-12 8:57 PM (EST)
the material is waterproof.
 
 
  what about neoprene skirts
  Posted by: rickdoner on Nov-17-12 11:19 AM (EST)
I have what I thought was a good snapdragon skirt. But in rough water, in fact, even in smooth water, I end up with water in my cockpit. I had the boat (Impex Force Cat 3) checked out, and I think it's ok. So, is it possible that water just soaks through the neoprene
skirt ? Anyone have this problem with skirts...or perhaps with Impex boats?
 
 
  Leaky boots
  Posted by: jerrysmith on Nov-13-12 8:58 PM (EST)
Neoprene boots are waterproof.
You have a hole somewhere.
Fill the boot with water and hold it up.
Let it dry thoroughly, then patch with Aqua Seal (Dive shops) or Amazing Goop" (Home Depot).
It's an easy fix.
 
 
  If you feel it's soaking through along a
  Posted by: g2d on Nov-13-12 9:09 PM (EST)
seam, you can use SeamGrip, runny cousin of Aquaseal. It is thinner and is designed for soaking into and waterproofing tent seams.
 
 
  I had to seal portions of the seams ...
  Posted by: guideboatguy on Nov-13-12 11:59 PM (EST)
... on the neoprene portions of my Gore-Tex Chota boots, and just recently discovered that I need to do the same on my all-neoprene Chotas. Both were waterproof when new, but after many years of use the seams must have gotten a little "looser". A slight bit of leakage through seams when new would not surprise me at all though. Find the exact location of the leak by filling them with water and observing where the water oozes through, and fix it. It wouldn't hurt to seal more seam area than you think you need.
 
 
  seal the seams
  Posted by: nermal on Nov-14-12 8:53 AM (EST)
An unfortunate common problem with Chota's, they'll start to leak along the seams.

I used Aquaseal and sealed all the seams on the inside
(as best as I could) and out. It took only a few minutes of time and made the boots much more reliable.
 
 
  Same with gloves
  Posted by: Jaybabina on Nov-14-12 9:18 AM (EST)
I never had a neoprene glove that didn't leak after a few paddles. I always have to seal the seams with Aquaseal. Even brand new they sometimes leak. I guess getting an edge to edge seal with thin neoprene is not easy?
 
 
  Typical for you !
  Posted by: Roanguy on Nov-14-12 9:06 AM (EST)
You were recently proclaiming that the Choata's "kept your feet warm and dry", and were telling another poster to get them.
You might want to consider not recommending something until you have used the item for several years

Guy
 
 
  I've had my Chotas for years and they
  Posted by: string on Nov-14-12 11:05 AM (EST)
don't leak.
 
 
  Maybe he has...
  Posted by: kayamedic on Nov-14-12 11:25 AM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Nov-14-12 11:28 AM EST --

Someone who paddles every day is harder on gear than someone who paddles twice a month.

Lets put the timeline into "use days.."

I have put on some five hundred uses on my Chotas and now they do leak. They still keep my feet warm. My feet are never dry. In shoes my feet sweat.

 
 
  Good point KM. I am fortunate to live
  Posted by: string on Nov-15-12 11:20 PM (EST)
where I only have to dig my Chotas out a couple of times a year.
 
 
  String, I probably dig mine out
  Posted by: sissy103 on Nov-16-12 7:41 AM (EST)
more frequently than you do. It's a short season down here, but I don't like cold feet.

This is my third winter with my Quick lace Chota mukluks and they haven't leaked yet, but if they did, I'd just seal them and would still recommend them. You'd be amazed how many Florida paddlers are wearing Chota mukluks now.
 
 
  I have used them for several years
  Posted by: Waterbird on Nov-24-12 9:05 PM (EST)
I only noticed the leaking very recently. I still love these boots.
 
 
  leak
  Posted by: magooch on Nov-14-12 12:22 PM (EST)
I have stood in the water for some time and never gotten a hint of a leak with my Chota mukluks. Do both of your boots leak, or just one. If only one, I would suspect a leaky seam, or maybe a leak in the sole.
 
 
  Compression failure
  Posted by: goobs on Nov-14-12 2:08 PM (EST)
Dear Board

All neoprene footwear will leak from compression failure over time. How soon and to what degree depends on the amount of compression force that is exerted.

This I know for a fact because every single pair of waders I have owned over the last 25 years has leaked in the soles of the feet. Some waders took longer than others, but they all failed eventually.

Regards,

Tim Murphy AKA Goobs
 
 
  Well, not "all" neoprene footwear
  Posted by: guideboatguy on Nov-14-12 3:20 PM (EST)
It sounds like you are talking about waders with stocking feet, designed to go inside boots (that's my take on your use of the term "compression failure"). Paddling boots have no such issues, since the neoprene never gets "squashed" that way. Paddling boots have a structural sole which bears your weight, rather than neoprene fabric.
 
 
  neoprene
  Posted by: suiram on Nov-14-12 3:24 PM (EST)
is best described as closed cell rubber foam - or small cavities formed by gas bubbles in rubber.
Closed cell - there is no gas exchange between bubbles. Tends to be quite water proof.
Eventually, due to use and abuse that closed cell foam can become open cell foam - some of the walls will rupture, and the open cell foam is not that water proof.

Perhaps you could stick those boots in the water, blow some air and see where the bubbles are originating?
 
 
  Yes, neoprene is waterproof
  Posted by: pikabike on Nov-15-12 12:08 AM (EST)
It is, basically, rubber. Where leakage occurs the neoprene has been broken, either through a tear or from stitching that was not seam-sealed well or became separated.

I have Wet Okole seat covers that supposedly are waterproof. The neoprene itself is indeed waterproof. But the seats have many seams where pieces were sewn together, and these are NOT factory-seam-sealed. If moisture gets on the seat and sits long enough (or is sat on), it finds its way through these seams. Try it for yourself and see, but put a protective layer underneath first.

One of these days (weeks, months...) I should remove those seat covers and paint a thin stripe of AquaSeal or SeamGrip over every seam, on the underside where it doesn't show. That should prevent any moisture from getting through to the upholstery. A little obsessive, perhaps, but then again it's cheap insurance.
 
 
  Yes, but ...
  Posted by: Dr_Disco on Nov-16-12 12:18 AM (EST)
Neoprene has been gradually improved over time. Anything you buy now is almost certainly waterproof. Something that is older may or may not be waterproof. Depends on how old it is. When I began windsurfing (in the dark ages), which was before I began kayaking, neoprene was not completely waterproof. Since the OP said the neoprene was older it may not be the seams. But seam leaks should be examined first.
 
 
  Interesting range of replies
  Posted by: Waterbird on Nov-16-12 7:11 PM (EST)
Yes, no, and maybe!
 
 
  Hmm...
  Posted by: guideboatguy on Nov-16-12 7:46 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Nov-16-12 9:04 PM EST --

Every post I saw which spoke directly in answer to your question said that neoprene is waterproof. However, a few people pointed out that the seams can leak, one person said that if you walk on the fabric for a long enough time (as is the case with the stocking feet of neoprene waders) it will wear out and leak, and Dr. Disco said that a really long time ago the stuff was not as good, but that what's available now is certainly waterproof, so since your boots don't date back "to the dark ages" ("several years old" is pretty darned new, as neoprene production goes), this would not apply (but I'm skeptical and think that his example is just another case of leaky seams, since neoprene is basically just synthetic "rubber" which by itself is totally impervious to water). So, simply in regard to the whether the fabric is waterproof, that's a unanimous "yes" by my way of thinking. Just find the leaky seam and fix it.

Oh, and since waders came up in discussion, would anyone think that they'd be made from a fabric that is NOT waterproof?

 
 
  Depends on the application
  Posted by: Dr_Disco on Nov-16-12 9:37 PM (EST)
Older wetsuits were not "waterproof" but the theory was that the water that seeped through would prevent further water from getting in and your body would warm the water that was there and form a kind of barrier. I don't know if that was the real principle or not but I did windsurf in cold wind/water in comfort. The booties that we wore were of the same material. I am certain that material is better today (I have surfing wetsuits that are very good at keeping me warm). But it can't hurt to ask when the foot ware was made.
 
 
  Depends on how you define "waterproof"
  Posted by: Waterbird on Nov-17-12 9:42 AM (EST)
Replies have pointed out that it depends on the age of the material and other factors. Suiram's reply was especially interesting because it mentions the specific structure of the material, which can break down over time.


 
 
  holes from stitching are not waterproof
  Posted by: paddlemore on Nov-16-12 9:44 PM (EST)
Neoprene is waterproof, but the holes from stitching garment panels together are not waterproof (unless they are sealed). Using aquaseal or seam grip will fill the holes and make them waterproof.

You can also get punctures or tears.

Technically, the pores in neoprene are large enough to let individual water molecules through. Fortunately, water molecules are rarely found in nature by themselves.
 
 
  It also depends on the thickness
  Posted by: bnystrom on Nov-17-12 9:01 AM (EST)
The thinned the neoprene is, the more likely it is to have leaks and develop them over time. 2mm and thinner neoprene will generally either leak immediately or develop leaks pretty quickly in use.
 
 
  My waders are neoprene & waterproof
  Posted by: FrankNC on Nov-17-12 11:22 PM (EST)
Well one pair is anyway. With waders it is just a matter of time until you have to patch something. Waders live a hard life stumbling through cold rocky water and thorny brushes on shore.

Find the leaks and Aquaseal them.
 
 
  Yes
  Posted by: LeeG on Nov-18-12 1:06 PM (EST)
Holes in neoprene make the construction not waterproof.
 
 
  here's a dumb question from me:
  Posted by: slushpaddler on Nov-27-12 12:27 PM (EST)
I don't doubt it's waterproof. But why then can I wring it out?
 
 
  Facing
  Posted by: mintjulep on Nov-27-12 12:47 PM (EST)
Because when closed cell neoprene foam is used as a wet suit or spray skirt fabric it is typically faced with Nylon or Polyester cloth. Most of what you are wringing out is water that is held by the facing. A bit more from the bubbles that are open to the surface.
 
 
  thank you, from the physics-challenged
  Posted by: slushpaddler on Nov-27-12 3:36 PM (EST)
That does make sense.

I know my body is usually pretty dry when I peel it off, unless I take a few swims.
 
 
  Water seepage in neoprene skirt
  Posted by: BBarry39 on Mar-13-14 2:36 PM (EST)
On a rainy day, I get a little water seeping through my neoprene skirt, and not near any seams. Is it supposed to do that. I kinda thought neoprene was supposed to be waterproof.
 

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