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  Yes, this is very evident ...
  Posted by: nebeginner on Oct-06-12 11:16 AM (EST)
 

That you "... worked for Tiderace ...".

"The move to Thailand was motivated entirely by quality..."

Well, there's always a first time.

"... Charger Composites to do a mediocre job building Tiderace boats..."

Why is that, do you think?

"This is Cobra who work to International ISO Standards ...".

Good things, yes ... but also voluntary, self-reported, and non enforceable. Cobra may very well adhere to all ISO standards. But there's more to it than that, and it is not unheard of for large well respected companies to outsource to 3rd parties and take at face value their claims of adherence to all kinds of standards and regulations ... and at the same time not look too closely or peel back the covers so they can have a clear conscience. Now, before you blow a gasket, I'm not saying Tiderace did that, or Cobra is anything less than it seems. Just making an observation.

Did Tiderace send their own people ... relocate their QC senior person or two, with their families, to Thailand? Set up an office inside Cobra's facility, to oversea and inspect?

"Frankly, to talk about them as if they are some environment-killing bucket shop is ignorant behaviour."

By definition, the only ignorance I can see here is coming from you ... jumping to conclusions and making assumptions.

But I understand I think where that comes from: it's a defensive response that must now be second nature to you and perhaps others at Tiderace when anyone asks a simple questions about where your boats are made, or why. My sense is somewhere deep down you may not be proud of the decision, or the place.

Since you brought it up, Thailand is in many areas physically a paradise ... but unfortunately most of the people native to that country are not in a position to enjoy that aspect. A simple search on drugs, corruption, human rights issues, etc, reveals many stories like this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/09/28/us-thailand-corruption-idUSTRE68R0RZ20100928

Now, sit down ... don't smash your computer ... take a deep breath. I'm sure Cobra is a model manufacturer over there.

All I'm saying is this is a very low cost market to produce anything, and the reason is at the expense of actual enforcement of regulations and standards in the EU, USA, etc, that drive up costs to make many products. Those added expenses have nothing to do with quality, except that it may force manufacturers that hang around to source cheaper costing materials.

I have never seen a Tiderace boat, so I can't speak to quality. But are you seriously saying it is a better made boat that my Valley? Or any other well crafted high quality out there? Please ...

At best Tiderace is as good as, which says a lot, because these boats are as good as it gets.

Personally, I would (and have) gladly pay more for a quality product made locally, or in a country I feel better about when it comes to having factories where workers are treated humanely, have benefits, some protection from abuse, etc.

Now there you go ... sit back down ... you're not going to live long if can't keep your blood pressure down. Again, I'm not saying Cobra is anything less than a model factory that could operate the exact same way it does in Thailand as it would have to in England or the US.

I am merely pointing out that you seem rather defensive about where Tiderace makes their boats, and seem to feel some need to justify this with superiority claims regarding the quality against all other boats, and perhaps spin a fairytale story of a poor beleaguered company that, try as it might, just can't find anyone that do justice to manufacturing their design ... until the heavens part and a great shaft of golden light beams down on Cobra ... altruistically motivated purely by QC and not profits ...


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