Here inland in the northeast, a regional paddling dealer commented to me about the declining market for new composite sea kayaks in the 16 ft. + range. Whether his own comments or read elsewhere . . . aging of middle-aged sea kayakers, price increases to $3,500 and over, rec kayak affordability, competition from SUP (just kidding), there is no doubt that a drive on local highways has plentiful cars with shorter plastic boats and few composite longer boats. inland anyways perhaps not on the coast.
My point. This sure seems to be the same case for the used market. In years past, I have easily sold 16 to 18 foot fiberglass sea kayaks quickly through local classifieds. But today? Have had a popular Valley composite boat for sale at an attractive price on Craigslist in major NE cities, Paddling.net, and a couple paddling clubs . . .no bites.
Advice for selling used long boats beyond dropping the price to near-give away levels? Trade-ins at retailers-possible or do they not want used long boats as well?
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Posted by: shiraz627 on Oct-05-12 9:56 AM (EST)
But I think you just have to find the right person or advertise it in the proper area.
Noticing some trends here, too|
Posted by: willowleaf on Oct-05-12 10:00 AM (EST)
By habit due to a bit of a personal fleet building compulsion (and because I am often looking for boats for friends who we've introduced to paddling) I have tracked the kayak postings for my city, region and even some outlying areas on a near daily basis for years. (One of those areas I look at is your own, in fact, since I have been watching for a starter touring kayak for my brother in Saratoga Springs.)
I can identify.|
Posted by: Yanoer on Oct-05-12 2:22 PM (EST)
I have to very nice, barely used kevlar sea/touring kayaks posted here, craigslist and local clubs for what I believe to be very good values, but not getting any bites or inquiries.
Posted by: coronaboy on Oct-05-12 3:00 PM (EST)
for most of us, we want the newest designs.... when you advertise an Aquaterra boat, nobody new to the sport has any inclination as to what you're selling.... If you have a 20 yr. old boat, you have to give it away...simple as that... I've got a couple Valleys that are 10 years old and even though I got them at pro priceing, I still couldn't let them go for their resale prices. We buy boats, hopefully with some research, and live with those decisions till we can rationalize letting them go is best. Hopefully, you used the shit out of the boats which might make it more palatable to let it go.... I seem to remember you bought a boat too b ig for you....live and let live....By the way, I never got a reply about the Advantage as far as I can recollect...
These are 2003 Perceptions.|
Posted by: Yanoer on Oct-05-12 7:08 PM (EST)
I will sell them and it will be at a fair price to the buyers and me. I have patience.
Coronaboy has always had a thing ...|
Posted by: roanguy on Oct-07-12 5:28 AM (EST)
Posted by: coronaboy on Oct-07-12 8:49 AM (EST)
My screen name comes from my first boat. A Perception Corona.....no not from the beer... I still have that boat and bought it cause it was the best outfitted boat in it's price range at the time 13 years ago. I really wanted a Shadow, but I wasn't gonna buy a boat that needed a pipe running it's length for support. I might as well just bought a Coleman canoe for 1/4 the price..
The kevlar Shadow don't need no |
Posted by: Yanoer on Oct-07-12 3:46 PM (EST)
stinking pole down the keel!
Posted by: coronaboy on Oct-07-12 4:27 PM (EST)
But I was responding to a post that said I wasn't cool with Perception boats... what ever ...as I pm'd you, I never got a response from you and I was very interested in the Advantage but it really doesn't matter as you sold it..... I'm on roadruunner so it's not like I don't get responses from my mail.....
Very few Pnetters...|
Posted by: sing on Oct-07-12 6:53 PM (EST)
left from that time...
At the time...|
Posted by: coronaboy on Oct-08-12 6:18 PM (EST)
Nothing Personal. Just Noting...|
Posted by: sing on Oct-08-12 7:54 PM (EST)
Back then I had a thought someday you would likely not be paddling a Corona solely, or at all. Ditto Dr. Disco with his Riot Disco. Same with the one with the former handle, Tempest170. Not a big deal. \
I'm a jack of all craft.....|
Posted by: coronaboy on Oct-09-12 1:08 PM (EST)
and definately not a master of any. I really like my Valleys on the Great Lakes but In the shoulder seasons, I prefer my solo canoes. However, when camping out of a boat on inland waters(sortof less and less the last 3 years) I would paddle a nice solo canoe first. I'll be the first to say that I'm a beginner even though I'm a somewhat capable paddler in conditions I'm somewhat accostumed to. All I know is that I do get to spend a very fair amount of time on the water....
Posted by: alan_gage on Oct-05-12 4:26 PM (EST)
I only buy used boats and usually end up with what I think is a really good deal. I'm in the middle of the midwest so nice kayaks are tough to come by. It takes a lot of looking and I always end up assuming that a lot of other people are looking for similar boats. But every time I go to sell a nice boat I'm amazed at the lack of interest.
try a local paddling group|
Posted by: nickjc on Oct-05-12 4:30 PM (EST)
I've had way better luck selling boats in my local email paddling groups than using craigslist. But, you have to be willing to sell pretty low to make it move. The last two tideraces in our group sold for around 25-2700 and they were 2 year old $4000 boats.
The economy plus the plethora of plastic|
Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Oct-05-12 5:40 PM (EST)
It's no surprise in this economy if sales of high-end composite kayaks are down both in the new and used sale markets. New buyers aren't buying them as frequently and aren't "recycling" them as often into the used market.
Posted by: Waterbird on Oct-05-12 9:23 PM (EST)
What I notice about Craigslist ads for 17 and 18 foot kayaks is that they very often say, "Used once or twice, stored indoors for last three years" or something to that effect. I think that indicates that some people buy long kayaks because they dont really understand kayaks (especially speed) or their own needs. They get them home and figure out what it takes to transport and paddle them and they give up quickly.
Less spending money in general|
Posted by: pikabike on Oct-05-12 10:05 PM (EST)
It's not limited to composite sea kayaks. I've sold a bunch of things on CL. In the beginning (6-7 years ago) I would get exactly what I asked for and the buyers handed over cash, happy with their end of the deal. Later, they nearly all tried to bargain the price down from its already-reasonable quote, or they would play waiting games. Still later, other items priced at similarly good deals would get very few bites, just spam or looky-loos.
Market might be saturated, too|
Posted by: pikabike on Oct-05-12 10:13 PM (EST)
Nobody thought sales of mtn bikes would slow down, but they did. There comes a point when dealers have gotten used to moving LOTS of stuff during the uprise years, then the flat and downturn years seem horrible to them. Despite the fact that some Pnetters own lots of sea kayaks, most people have only 1 per person.
Posted by: Photobug on Oct-06-12 1:20 AM (EST)
I just bought a Carbon Fiber Current Design Extreme, a little over a year ago. It was used but in near mint condition with a paddle for $1600. It is the first sea kayak I have owned and really the first time I have been sea kayaking since 20 years ago.
Here's a wrinkle|
Posted by: pikabike on Oct-07-12 1:27 AM (EST)
If you can have two kayaks, one can be the long, fast, trip or fitness boat. The other one can be much, MUCH shorter and easier to transport. Let's face it--15 ft is shorter than 18 ft but it's still a PITA to move around. But if the short one is only 6 to 9 ft long, that makes a huge diff in ease of transport.
Leave the truck at home.|
Posted by: Photobug on Oct-07-12 11:47 AM (EST)
"I use a WW kayak for all pool rolling sessions and a lot of pond practice, as well as (formerly) paddling it in a WW play park. Just slide in the back of the truck and go."
I only have a sedan!|
Posted by: abc on Oct-07-12 1:53 PM (EST)
I could theorectically fit my WW boat inside (did it once when I forgot the tie downs). But it would take 1/2 hr to jiggle everything around. So I put it on the roof instead.
Fine if you have 2 at your disposal (nm)|
Posted by: pikabike on Oct-08-12 5:20 PM (EST)
Got out on the coast there yet?|
Posted by: seadart on Oct-07-12 8:00 PM (EST)
Are you in your new house in WA?
On the coast but NOT in the house|
Posted by: pikabike on Oct-08-12 5:15 PM (EST)
Posted by: sing on Oct-08-12 7:59 PM (EST)
It had to suck to fall in love with seakayaking and live so far from the ocean.
Dubside's "commando kayaking"|
Posted by: pikabike on Oct-08-12 11:11 PM (EST)
He doesn't (didn't?) own a car at all. Got around with the folder on public transportation.
Selling specialty kayaks|
Posted by: jsmarch on Oct-08-12 1:05 PM (EST)
When trying to sell a kevlar Pintail and an ocean cockpit Outer Island both with only minor cosmetic issues, I've certainly had the experience of little or no interest either in our paddling club, eBay, or on PNet despite ridiculously low prices. Plan to try next year at the East Coast Canoe and Kayak Festival--maybe an enthusiast audience will be a better bet. Haven't tried Craigslist in NC as I've mostly seen Dick's Sporting Good plastic rec boats.
Posted by: jelson on Oct-09-12 4:32 PM (EST)
Can't find a used Impex Force 4 in Carbon/Kevlar. Saw one on P.net classifieds last summer - within a day's drive - but oh right, it can't be red. because somehow all our kayaks are red and my husband, whose boat this would be, wants something different (not a white deck either).
There's a new material called paint : )|
Posted by: Yanoer on Oct-09-12 5:11 PM (EST)
A boat's color can be changed, if it's that important to someone.
Posted by: joewildlife on Oct-12-12 3:27 PM (EST)
Fast sea kayaks are popular in the racing crowds. Try the classifieds on watertribe.com, rivermiles.com,