Attention - Caution Newbs
Posted by: rnsparky on Oct-01-12 2:37 PM (EST) Category: unassigned
-- Last Updated: Oct-01-12 3:35 PM EST --
When you post on this forum for guidance on "What kind of _______ should I get" you will get a good mix of other newbs, intermediates, and advanced paddlers.
However, 95% of posters will recommend what they want for themselves, and it will be the same exact ______ they own.
So, if you want to know how they like what they own, check out the REVIEWS.
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Posted by: jcbikeski on Oct-01-12 2:44 PM (EST)
I personally think you're better asking such questions of more local people. The problem I see here and in many other non-paddling areas is that there are way too many different situations. We have ocean, lake, river. Very mellow or very wild. Long expeditions or just bird watching. We have people in cold areas and others in warm. Some are timid and some are adventurous. Each is surrounded by friends similar to them. So even those that know all of this will tend at times to forget (or not even know)just how different the situation of the person asking is.
add your location in your question|
Posted by: nickjc on Oct-01-12 2:54 PM (EST)
Like the question on winter gear I just answered, I have no idea which winter the poster is talking about. Miami or Michigan?
Posted by: Peter-CA on Oct-01-12 3:22 PM (EST)
But, isn't the Pamlico the best boat for everyone?
to answer your question|
Posted by: Mcimes on Oct-01-12 3:43 PM (EST)
To answer your question you should get a Jensen 17' and a ZRE 50.5" power surge light.
Hey, I have both of those|
Posted by: Roanguy on Oct-01-12 5:56 PM (EST)
plus 14 more kayaks and canoes.
Posted by: paddler098 on Oct-01-12 8:49 PM (EST)
guy you would really enjoy a pro boat they are great just sold mine not much racing in s c
Posted by: radiomix on Oct-01-12 3:45 PM (EST)
Always true, I like to suggest stuff I would like to own.
even higher chance|
Posted by: rocdoc on Oct-01-12 3:48 PM (EST)
of hearing recommendations for a boat the poster wants to sell :)
Not so much, I think,|
Posted by: adbass on Oct-01-12 4:16 PM (EST)
though it does happen. And usually I am sure the offer is an attempt to be genuinely helpful.
Not sure about that|
Posted by: chodups on Oct-01-12 3:54 PM (EST)
"So, if you want to know how they like what they own, check out the REVIEWS."
key to reading reviews|
Posted by: jcbikeski on Oct-01-12 3:59 PM (EST)
is less about their rating (yes seems like all 9+) but rather how close the reviewer's situation is to yours. So the better reviews talk a lot about the conditions, the paddler and what they were hoping for.
High ratings could be the lack of the|
Posted by: shirlann on Oct-06-12 9:48 AM (EST)
poster overlooking the rating section. I am guilty of that when I perhaps should have rated an item at less than 10, which seems to be the default and have forgotten to go back in and change it.
I think that's the point|
Posted by: adbass on Oct-01-12 4:17 PM (EST)
the OP is trying make.
As was mine......|
Posted by: chodups on Oct-01-12 8:24 PM (EST)
The reviews are mostly terrible. |
Posted by: g2d on Oct-01-12 4:11 PM (EST)
But if one knows how to read them, there are some facts to be gained.
I think that's the point|
Posted by: CapeFear on Oct-01-12 4:20 PM (EST)
I don't have experience, but I know what I am aspiring to do. So I want to find someone that fits into what I want to do. Then I want to know "what they want for themselves, and the same exact ______ they own".
Pretty Cynical |
Posted by: seadart on Oct-01-12 4:32 PM (EST)
There are a dozen or so people here who give pretty good advice. Most of the time when people are asking for recommendations it's for entry level gear, which most of the experienced paddlers have little or no interest in.
This thread may run and run,|
Posted by: adbass on Oct-01-12 4:43 PM (EST)
The OP's post is perhaps a bit negative but has a grain or two of truth. Unless someone has had particular experience (e.g.,working in the paddling industry or at an out-fitters, or was a member of a club with access to many different models of kayak or canoe), their ability to comment on the relative advantages and flaws of a wide range boats is probably quite limited. The rest of us can however say something about the boats we paddle/own. If we limit our comments to subjects we have direct experience of, and give some indication of the limits of our knowledge, then probably this is OK. Right?
Posted by: kayamedic on Oct-01-12 4:51 PM (EST)
I just recommended a boat I have paddled and never want own.
Take an INTRO class|
Posted by: willi_h2o on Oct-01-12 4:55 PM (EST)
If someone truly wants to learn
Posted by: jcbikeski on Oct-01-12 5:03 PM (EST)
For most I like your advice. But it shows bias like we all have. It assumes there's a source of lessons near. The fall/winter in a pool part assumes a cool winter area. All of it assumes someone wanting more than to sit still fishing in a pond from a kayak or canoe. I fall into that trap all the time even as I try not to.
And my beef with fishermen|
Posted by: willi_h2o on Oct-01-12 8:19 PM (EST)
Many, many fisherman can't paddle worth
Posted by: Celia on Oct-01-12 5:18 PM (EST)
It is near impossible to make a good recommendation when someone doesn't provide info about their likely paddling locale, background or area of the country at least - like is it the Florida Keys or Calais Maine... like the OPer here.
Most don't write reviews.|
Posted by: Yanoer on Oct-01-12 5:40 PM (EST)
Some regulars on this board have never written a review, even though they may own 20 boats.
Posted by: carldelo on Oct-01-12 6:05 PM (EST)
I agree it would be good if the long-time posters and compulsive boat hoarders here would review their fleet.
Back to the regular posts...|
Posted by: Celia on Oct-01-12 6:25 PM (EST)
If someone reads the posts asking about ideas for a new boat, or a step-up boat, long timers often do talk well about the boats they own. But it is hard to do that outside of a context.
Posted by: kayamedic on Oct-01-12 6:27 PM (EST)
I second Kayamedic's "rubbish".|
Posted by: steve_in_idaho on Oct-01-12 6:27 PM (EST)
Posted by: shiraz627 on Oct-01-12 8:34 PM (EST)
What kind of boat are you looking for??????
Are you considering context?|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Oct-01-12 9:43 PM (EST)
Posted by: kayamedic on Oct-01-12 10:02 PM (EST)
search paddling.net for the OP screen name.
Oh, good point.|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Oct-01-12 10:15 PM (EST)
Uh, I recommend boats I haven't |
Posted by: g2d on Oct-02-12 12:16 AM (EST)
paddled. I recommend race horses I haven't ridden.
Trolling, trolling, trolling, til this |
Posted by: g2d on Oct-01-12 10:42 PM (EST)
thread is swollen.....
Well I got my packing done for a week|
Posted by: kayamedic on Oct-01-12 10:58 PM (EST)
long canoe trip anyhow..and this thread broke up packing tedium.
Or just search for the last time...|
Posted by: davejjj on Oct-01-12 11:54 PM (EST)
...the same question was asked. No need to ask it again if it is asked here repeatedly.
Only works if archived and exact wording|
Posted by: Yanoer on Oct-02-12 1:22 PM (EST)
spelling and phrasing are used.
Posted by: rnsparky on Oct-02-12 10:50 AM (EST)
I don't think you need to crucify the OP!
sometimes correct, sometimes not|
Posted by: jcbikeski on Oct-02-12 11:17 AM (EST)
It would help if....|
Posted by: Celia on Oct-06-12 9:54 AM (EST)
you gave the replies some credit. Your statement is very broad, as others have pointed out a similarly broad answer is not always the right one.
Posted by: davejjj on Oct-08-12 11:44 AM (EST)
Symptom of modern society|
Posted by: Waterbird on Oct-06-12 10:05 AM (EST)
People are not that attunded to others these days. We live in a narcissistic society. We've lost the skill of listening to people and tuning into their needs as opposed to our own. It's like everyone is competing for attention. That must mean that modern social conditions don't provide people with the attention and fulfillment they need. It wasn't always like this. This started sometime around the 1980s. People used to be more interested in others.
Posted by: gnarlydog on Oct-10-12 2:26 AM (EST)
"People used to be more interested in others."
10 out of 10|
Posted by: bowrudder on Oct-08-12 1:05 PM (EST)
Another caution for newbs: Most thread titles are extremely uninformative.