Brand new Tempest oil canning?
Posted by: cmyak on Sep-28-12 12:37 AM (EST) Category: Kayaks
After renting and borrowing boats for a couple years I finally decided to get my own kayak. After many demos, I excitedly settled on a poly Tempest 165 and got a seemingly great deal on a new 2011 one from a local dealer. As I was loading it onto my car I realized that it had two rather large hull deformities running the width of the boat…one right under the seat and the other a few feet fore.
After reading up on oil-canning in plastic boats it seems like that is what happened here. I understand that they are somewhat common on plastic kayaks especially if stored or transported incorrectly at high temperatures (I’m in Maryland, so the summers get warm). I was, though surprised to see this on a new boat.
I’ve taken the boat out once and didn’t notice any tracking issues, though conditions were windy and choppy so I had a hard time telling for sure. I also spoke to my dealer about this and he said it was relatively normal and shouldn’t affect performance. He did though offer to take the boat back if I was unhappy with it.
I’m curious to hear folks’ thoughts on whether or not this is a problem. Is this a sign of more serious problems even if I’m able to fix the indentations using a heat lamp or something like that?
Thanks for the help!
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Posted by: Peter-CA on Sep-28-12 1:21 AM (EST)
If it wasn't a brand new boat, I'd automatically say not a problem. It likely won't affect the usability of the boat at all.
I would approach the dealer about the |
Posted by: g2d on Sep-28-12 1:56 AM (EST)
issue, in case it applies to your boat but not to other examples of the same model.
My new WS Zephyr|
Posted by: t.george on Sep-28-12 8:36 AM (EST)
had a fairly pronounced flat spot just ahead of the seat that took out all the V from the hull. I didn't notice it when I picked the boat up,(I was more concerned about good fitting hatches). I cut a "form" from an old piece of plywood that wedged under the coming and ran a strap around the whole mess. I put it on whenever storing it for a week and it went away.
Give it back|
Posted by: mintjulep on Sep-28-12 8:40 AM (EST)
It might be common, but it sure isn't right.
Posted by: NewbTastic on Sep-28-12 10:18 AM (EST)
I can't see paying new boat prices and then taking home a boat that's significantly oil-canned from Day 1. =[
got a good deal|
Posted by: desertdave on Sep-28-12 11:39 AM (EST)
on a 165 for my girlfriend. It had two indentations from storage on racks built from 2x4's. After some time, say a month, those indentations are gone. As I've read on P-net, sometimes plastic will return to it's 'as-molded' shape when given a little time and stored properly.
Posted by: magooch on Sep-28-12 12:37 PM (EST)
Would you accept a new car with ready made dents? Why should a boat be any different? If the price was based on "as is" condition, then the dealer should have pointed out the deformity.
How it's stored/supported, matters.|
Posted by: Yanoer on Sep-28-12 2:11 PM (EST)
You, apparently, have a good system.
when you get a new boat|
Posted by: desertdave on Sep-28-12 2:22 PM (EST)
for 36% off MSRP, with all the benefits of a new boat, including warranty, you can afford to be patient and see if the storage dents pop out. Which they did.
Might or might not be an issue|
Posted by: Kocho on Sep-28-12 2:49 PM (EST)
take it back and get another .......|
Posted by: pilotwingz on Sep-28-12 6:58 PM (EST)
..... agree totally with mintjulip and others , your boat should be flawless as new , not deformed in anyway .
Don't necessarily agree |
Posted by: rpg51 on Sep-28-12 11:27 PM (EST)
that "I'll bet the deformation will get worse and worse as times goes on , something in the build process made it weak in certain areas , and that shouldn't be" My experience is the opposite. These boats will get temporary deformations like the OP describes all the time and they will go away with a little heat. You have to be careful to store these boats on edge, not on bottom. But it is almost always a temporary situation. .
Posted by: t.george on Sep-28-12 11:46 PM (EST)
I guess if it were me|
Posted by: rpg51 on Sep-29-12 7:31 AM (EST)
Geez, all this...|
Posted by: NewbTastic on Sep-29-12 8:08 AM (EST)
... is sort making me not want to buy rotomold ever again. o_0
Read the definition of "plastic".|
Posted by: string on Sep-29-12 9:39 AM (EST)
Posted by: LeeG on Sep-29-12 8:19 PM (EST)
Not that simple...|
Posted by: NewbTastic on Sep-29-12 10:45 PM (EST)
...ABS/thermoform doesn't seem to have these problems, or at least it's not common.
I have purchased 2|
Posted by: bac on Sep-29-12 10:10 AM (EST)
I have purdchased a Tempest 170 and a Chatham 17 (one new, one used .. discounted heavily) with significant oilcans. Both dents came out with hot water and weights. No issues since the repairs. These boats need to be stored on their sides or in a soft sling
Posted by: gstamer on Sep-29-12 11:05 AM (EST)
Many boats with scratches and minor dents (from storage) are sold at a discount. Did you get a special deal for this particular kayak? Or can you swap the boat for a different kayak in stock?
Posted by: magooch on Sep-29-12 11:28 AM (EST)
Scratches and dents are not inevitable on poly boats, or any others for that matter. I've owned plastic boats for years and they still look like brand new. As a matter of fact, the two poly boats I still have are better than when they were brand new. I've made some fairly minor modifications and most of all, I've always stored, transported and handled these boats with loving care. I treat them exactly the same as my composites. Yes, they are pampered; that's just the way I am. And my boats assuredly have more miles on them than most.
Maybe so, but |
Posted by: rpg51 on Sep-29-12 1:00 PM (EST)
most plastic boats, including mine for sure, end up with LOTS of scratches from use. Its the Felix and Oscar thing played out in the world of kayaks. I'm definitely an Oscar. In my view it takes incredible effort and care to avoid scratches in a plastic kayak. On the other hand, scratches from normal use don't cause any problems whatsoever, inmho. Also, if he did any paddling in white water or rock gardening I doubt even Felix could avoid getting tons scratches in a plastic kayak.
Posted by: radiomix on Sep-29-12 3:46 PM (EST)
But my composite boats have scratches.
Posted by: gstamer on Sep-30-12 10:34 AM (EST)
Depending on what kayaking means to you, and where you paddle, it isn't always possible/practical/advisable to avoid scratches, no matter how careful you are.
Posted by: ppine on Sep-30-12 1:26 AM (EST)
Kayaks and canoes get wrecked often from tying them down too tightly on racks and improper transport. sounds like that is what happened with yours. Take it back and get a new boat. If the dents are easy to fix with some heat, the dealer will have no problem fixing your boat.
I've had a dozen poly boats and they all|
Posted by: suntan on Sep-30-12 4:23 PM (EST)
popped in and out. The best was a brand new Perception Acadia which still popped, just not as much. The new Acadias are thinner and pop as much as any other boat. The true value of poly is in rock bashing. Its the only material that can take it and oil caning is just something you have to accept.