New Tiderace Boats Coming
Posted by: old_user on Sep-22-12 5:56 AM (EST) Category: Kayaks
Word comes via the Nuremburg Paddle Expo.
(odd place for a big Paddle Expo, yes? it's not particularly near any big water)
Apparently, Tiderace has at least 3 new boats coming:
- Its Pace fast expedition boat, but in a shorter 17' length ('Pace-M'?).
- The Pace again, but in a quite petite 15' length ('Pace-S'?).
- The Vortex, basically its Xtra playboat in rotomold, and TR's first plastic boat.
(page is in Italian, but Google Chrome will translate if you tell it to)
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Posted by: old_user on Sep-22-12 6:00 PM (EST)
Personally I think this is pretty cool.
Where are they making these?|
Posted by: nebeginner on Sep-22-12 7:11 PM (EST)
Who is building them?
But is there...|
Posted by: old_user on Sep-23-12 8:42 PM (EST)
...really that much wiggle room in the price for rotomold boats?
Posted by: no_kayak on Sep-30-12 12:29 PM (EST)
I don't know where you get your info from, but the cost to Tiderace in building their boats means their margins are considerably lower than those of other British manufacturers.
Posted by: old_user on Oct-01-12 10:06 AM (EST)
Geez, don't be shy, tell us what you REALLY think, No_Kayak. =D
Posted by: nebeginner on Oct-02-12 7:45 AM (EST)
.... He simply got emotional, and jumped to conclusions. Defensive. No problem.
Well now, someone is upset ...|
Posted by: nebeginner on Oct-02-12 7:27 AM (EST)
"I don't know where you get your info from, but the cost to Tiderace in building their boats means their margins are considerably lower than those of other British manufacturers."
I worked for Tiderace|
Posted by: no_kayak on Oct-02-12 3:02 PM (EST)
The reason I know what I do is because I worked for Tiderace when the decision to move was made and was party to all the gory details.
not picking a fight|
Posted by: radiomix on Oct-02-12 3:11 PM (EST)
Just interested. Is there a reason tiderace doesn't build their own boats in a local shop.
Posted by: kwikle on Oct-02-12 3:51 PM (EST)
builds these kayaks to a higher level of specification than what a local fabrication shop could do at this point. Cobra is simply a better end product option for Tiderace.
A response from Tiderace|
Posted by: old_user on Nov-15-12 7:57 PM (EST)
There are many interesting questions raised here, so I'll attempt to answer a few.
Aled, thanks for that info.|
Posted by: Yanoer on Nov-16-12 6:52 PM (EST)
Sounds like a smart arrangement.
Finally a reasonable response!|
Posted by: nebeginner on Nov-17-12 8:52 AM (EST)
Yes, this is very evident ...|
Posted by: nebeginner on Oct-06-12 11:16 AM (EST)
That you "... worked for Tiderace ...".
Posted by: old_user on Oct-09-12 8:45 AM (EST)
...pretty much lighting his hair on fire. =0
Posted by: no_kayak on Oct-09-12 2:00 PM (EST)
Throughout the setup phase Tiderace's MD Dave Felton and/or Designer Aled Williams personally inspected every single boat before it left the factory.
KoolAid and sneakers|
Posted by: suiram on Oct-02-12 4:22 PM (EST)
You should really stop and smell the roses
cobra composites is in thailand|
Posted by: kwikle on Oct-02-12 4:52 PM (EST)
just fyi marius :)
Posted by: suiram on Oct-02-12 5:01 PM (EST)
How could I make such a mistake ;)
on the plus side...|
Posted by: old_user on Oct-03-12 5:09 AM (EST)
...you only missed by a few hundred miles. =)
totally different worlds|
Posted by: tsunamichuck1 on Oct-03-12 6:06 AM (EST)
Thailand is beautiful, Bangkok is quite enjoyable. China is proof that humans have no right to inhabit this planet
No one gets rich making kayaks|
Posted by: Celia on Nov-16-12 9:11 AM (EST)
We have 10 boats (long boats and WW) in the basement and under the porch as well as a canoe. The brands include Valley, Necky, NDK, Pyrahnna, P&H, Dagger, Bell, Wavesport and I am not counting my first Current Designs kayak that I sold. We have experienced the new and used pricing levels of all of these brands, obviously. It is likely that the CEO at the conglomorate level, say Johnson Outdoors, is making a damn good salary and may even have some fat bonuses. But no one who is directly living on making and selling kayaks is going to be the featured client on the next installment of Million Dollar Decorator.
Profits are a good thing ...|
Posted by: nebeginner on Nov-17-12 9:54 AM (EST)
In business there are decisions made that are based on profits, and decisions based on doing the right thing.
more from Tiderace...|
Posted by: old_user on Nov-17-12 3:01 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Sep-29-12 8:10 AM (EST)
Posted by: radiomix on Sep-29-12 3:49 PM (EST)
I saw these on the facebook. They look cool. Which is half the battle.
Posted by: old_user on Sep-30-12 9:45 AM (EST)
New Tiderace kayaks|
Posted by: kwikle on Oct-02-12 10:59 AM (EST)
Personally really excited for the new Xtra (LV for lack of a better term at this point).
Does Tiderace make a rockered day|
Posted by: rpg51 on Oct-03-12 5:36 AM (EST)
boat that would fit big folks - "big" meaning 5'11" 250 Lbs.?
probably the best bet...|
Posted by: old_user on Oct-03-12 7:57 AM (EST)
...for you among TR "play n' day" boats is going to be the Xcite.
Now I am confused|
Posted by: Celia on Oct-03-12 10:15 AM (EST)
I was OK until I actually read the whole thread, then got confounded. I just checked out the kilograms/pounds cited for the Xtra as in smaller one on Tiderace's site, and got a minimum weight of 155 pounds up to more. So this is an average (before the obesity epidemic) paddler weight boat, not a 5'3" not-heavy woman.
Posted by: kwikle on Oct-03-12 11:12 AM (EST)
both awesome boats for small people
Granted the Xtra is closer|
Posted by: Celia on Oct-03-12 11:37 AM (EST)
At least a lot closer than the regular Xplore or Xcite, which I am aware of. But I thought it interesting that this smaller end of the paddler population isn't covered well, yet anyway, in the new series. That may mean that another boat will join the new lineup (or that Tiderace doesn't see a market there).
Posted by: suiram on Oct-03-12 12:00 PM (EST)
that Keith is making - a boat intended for surfing must have a certain hull profile for more efficient planing out
I get that part|
Posted by: Celia on Oct-03-12 12:43 PM (EST)
Posted by: suiram on Oct-03-12 1:03 PM (EST)
But, TR seems to have a good handle on the market, I wouldn't put my money against it, since, as Keith said, -S are there.
small person's play boat|
Posted by: nickjc on Oct-03-12 2:03 PM (EST)
Sterling's new boat the Progression is built as a Reflection for smaller people. Still in prototype I believe, but it looks promising from the videos Reg Lake posted. I've owned a Reflection for 6 months now and it's a great play boat.
Posted by: kwikle on Oct-03-12 3:43 PM (EST)
Posted by: suiram on Oct-04-12 9:58 AM (EST)
I'll just put that SS thermos and a bag of biscuits in my kit and be good to go ;)
not to mention Xcape-S|
Posted by: old_user on Oct-03-12 1:57 PM (EST)
Kayak Academy has that one as being best for paddlers 5'1" to 5'7", and 110 to 165 lbs.
Posted by: Celia on Oct-03-12 5:54 PM (EST)
Two new Xtras|
Posted by: old_user on Oct-03-12 7:08 PM (EST)
Got that by converting web site cm|
Posted by: Celia on Oct-03-12 8:00 PM (EST)
Unless I copied the cm over wrong. But it wouldn't be the first time a kayak manufacturer had less than easy to sort out info, or out of date, on a web site.
Posted by: old_user on Oct-05-12 10:03 AM (EST)
Yeah, absolutely. I don't know what it is about kayaking manufacturers, but many of them seem somewhat 'website-challenged.'
Posted by: old_user on Oct-06-12 9:45 PM (EST)
On the Tiderace website in the Kayak Models part of the website it says the depth is 33.5 cm. On their homepage with the link to the new models that show both Xtra's the HV is stated at 32.5. All volumes remain the same so their appears to be an error somewhere obviously. As another reference point the Kayak Academy website shows 13.2" which is in line with the original 33.5 cm on the Tiderace website.
yup, my point exactly|
Posted by: old_user on Oct-06-12 10:19 PM (EST)
the Nuremberg defense|
Posted by: slushpaddler on Nov-16-12 10:44 AM (EST)
No truth to the rumor that Valley attended without the Pintail or Aquanaut in stock. Or to the Valley rep's response that "Ve vere only following ze orders".
In case it got lost ...|
Posted by: Kocho on Nov-16-12 5:38 PM (EST)
The response from AW: http://www.paddling.net/message/showThread.html?fid=advice&tid=1561083#1578380 (copy the full URL, including the #1578380 part)