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Rudder for Foster Legend?
Posted by: Marek on Sep-20-12 8:53 PM (EST) Category: unassigned

Got this Nigel Foster Legend Sea Kayak from one of the sponsors of our relay team and have an issue with it.
The guy that was supposed to paddle the boat bailed because he wasn't able to overcame stability, so I took over the task and after few months of paddling I now Im able to go out there in Puget Sound in light chop for few hours and cover 10+miles
I see the learning curve is working and I'm looking forward to fall paddles, but what I have problems with is the steering or keeping the course; against the waves or with them is nice, but if I just go 10-15 degree off the boat just turns.
Any way I can install a rudder on Foster? I was told at local shop that I can not because the boat is not designed for it. Any advice here?
I have a skillful buddy on the team that can do this for free; just what kit can I use, and if this is not going to screw the boat.

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Rudder for Foster Legend? - Marek - Sep-20-12 8:53 PM
- Make sure the skeg is working... - johnysmoke - Sep-20-12 9:03 PM
  - Rudder for Foster Legend? - Marek - Sep-20-12 9:24 PM
    - Never seen one without a skeg. - FrankNC - Sep-20-12 10:00 PM
      - Rudder is EZ to install on this boat. - onnopaddle - Sep-21-12 4:48 AM
        
        onnopaddle - FrankNC - Sep-21-12 6:09 AM
- Specialty order? - Celia - Sep-21-12 8:51 AM
  - Rudder for Foster Legend? - Marek - Sep-21-12 12:53 PM
    - OPS I meant skeg - Celia - Sep-21-12 1:23 PM
    - Vyneck it is, just checked - Marek - Oct-01-12 1:17 PM
- The mystery............. - blackboat - Sep-21-12 3:33 PM
  - Description of the Vyneck - Celia - Sep-21-12 3:39 PM
    - The ocean cockpit is the smoking gun - blackboat - Sep-21-12 6:36 PM
      - Skegless Legends . . - Spaf - Sep-21-12 6:48 PM
        
        But............. - blackboat - Sep-21-12 6:50 PM
      - Or not.................. - blackboat - Sep-21-12 6:49 PM
        
        Rudder for Foster Legend? - Marek - Oct-01-12 1:38 PM
        
        Superior Kayaks skeg kit....... - blackboat - Oct-01-12 10:57 PM

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  Make sure the skeg is working...
  Posted by: johnysmoke on Sep-20-12 9:03 PM (EST)

And then get some instruction...

  Rudder for Foster Legend?
  Posted by: Marek on Sep-20-12 9:24 PM (EST)

Does not have a skeg

  Never seen one without a skeg.
  Posted by: FrankNC on Sep-20-12 10:00 PM (EST)

Are you certain is is a Legend?

Back to your original question you can put a rudder on any boat you just need the right parts and skills and tools. I imagine the shop didn't want to do it because they do not have a skill boat repair man there. Or maybe they did not want the word to get around town that they put a rudder on a Legend.

I'd do it for you but you'd have to promise not to tell anyone I did it. :)

Duckworks has all the parts you need.

  Rudder is EZ to install on this boat.
  Posted by: onnopaddle on Sep-21-12 4:48 AM (EST)

see email

  onnopaddle
  Posted by: FrankNC on Sep-21-12 6:09 AM (EST)

I've only seen one of your rudder kits installed and it appeared to be the best designed rudder I have seen. I wondered if you are seeing more people going to boats with rudders, because it seems like things are going the other way towards skegs.

  Specialty order?
  Posted by: Celia on Sep-21-12 8:51 AM (EST)

-- Last Updated: Sep-21-12 1:45 PM EST --

Same as Frank, never seen a Foster boat without a (OOPS - later update) skeg. Any model.

Is this some kind of custom job? If so, it could have been specifically designed for racing, might have different accommodations for a rudder than a normal Foster boat.

  Rudder for Foster Legend?
  Posted by: Marek on Sep-21-12 12:53 PM (EST)

I'll be home next week and post some detail pictures.
As I checked on Foster's site, all boats there have either skag or a rudder, also key hole entrance; mine is the old style and hard to get into.
Thank's guys for advice!

  OPS I meant skeg
  Posted by: Celia on Sep-21-12 1:23 PM (EST)

Never seen a Foster boat without a SKEG.

Me bad.

Just to ask a silly question, does the boat maybe have a skeg box but the skeg is gone? I apologize if this one is too simple - I am just finding the idea of a skegless Foster boat odd.

The cockpit - do you mean it has an ocean cockpit? Yes to photos... the mystery deepens.

  Vyneck it is, just checked
  Posted by: Marek on Oct-01-12 1:17 PM (EST)

Well, still need a rudder!
Suggestions on kits?
Since I'm not "perky member" photos are here:

https://picasaweb.google.com/105040027225135937076/October12012

  The mystery.............
  Posted by: blackboat on Sep-21-12 3:33 PM (EST)

.........I'll bet it's a Vyneck.

  Description of the Vyneck
  Posted by: Celia on Sep-21-12 3:39 PM (EST)

If I were to grab an older Foster kayak for racing this one would look interesting - here's a link to info on it. I bet it is, the behavior described by the OPer is more usually associated with the Silhouette than the Legend.

http://www.nigelfosterdesigns.com/852/5801.htmlxjavior..

  The ocean cockpit is the smoking gun
  Posted by: blackboat on Sep-21-12 6:36 PM (EST)

...and I'll go so far as to bet it's this very boat...http://www.waterbugg.net/images/Classifieds09/Vyneck_01S.JPG

  Skegless Legends . .
  Posted by: Spaf on Sep-21-12 6:48 PM (EST)

. . do happen. Seaward lists one that was custom made in their current inventory.

  But.............
  Posted by: blackboat on Sep-21-12 6:50 PM (EST)

.............ocean cockpit ???

  Or not..................
  Posted by: blackboat on Sep-21-12 6:49 PM (EST)

..............just spotted the logo on the bow....but I'm still sayin' Vyneck......GIVE US PICS !!!

  Rudder for Foster Legend?
  Posted by: Marek on Oct-01-12 1:38 PM (EST)

Blackboat, I think you are right; Vynack it is!
Still need a rudder, any suggestions?
Since I'm not a "perky" member pics are here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/105040027225135937076/October12012

  Superior Kayaks skeg kit.......
  Posted by: blackboat on Oct-01-12 10:57 PM (EST)

.........just as easy to install, less expensive, and FAR less blasphemous than a rudder.

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	Make sure the skeg is working... Posted by: johnysmoke on Sep-20-12 9:03 PM (EST)
	And then get some instruction...

	Rudder for Foster Legend? Posted by: Marek on Sep-20-12 9:24 PM (EST)
	Does not have a skeg

	Never seen one without a skeg. Posted by: FrankNC on Sep-20-12 10:00 PM (EST)
	Are you certain is is a Legend? Back to your original question you can put a rudder on any boat you just need the right parts and skills and tools. I imagine the shop didn't want to do it because they do not have a skill boat repair man there. Or maybe they did not want the word to get around town that they put a rudder on a Legend. I'd do it for you but you'd have to promise not to tell anyone I did it. :) Duckworks has all the parts you need.

	Rudder is EZ to install on this boat. Posted by: onnopaddle on Sep-21-12 4:48 AM (EST)
	see email

	onnopaddle Posted by: FrankNC on Sep-21-12 6:09 AM (EST)
	I've only seen one of your rudder kits installed and it appeared to be the best designed rudder I have seen. I wondered if you are seeing more people going to boats with rudders, because it seems like things are going the other way towards skegs.

	Specialty order? Posted by: Celia on Sep-21-12 8:51 AM (EST)
	-- Last Updated: Sep-21-12 1:45 PM EST -- Same as Frank, never seen a Foster boat without a (OOPS - later update) skeg. Any model. Is this some kind of custom job? If so, it could have been specifically designed for racing, might have different accommodations for a rudder than a normal Foster boat.

	Rudder for Foster Legend? Posted by: Marek on Sep-21-12 12:53 PM (EST)
	I'll be home next week and post some detail pictures. As I checked on Foster's site, all boats there have either skag or a rudder, also key hole entrance; mine is the old style and hard to get into. Thank's guys for advice!

	OPS I meant skeg Posted by: Celia on Sep-21-12 1:23 PM (EST)
	Never seen a Foster boat without a SKEG. Me bad. Just to ask a silly question, does the boat maybe have a skeg box but the skeg is gone? I apologize if this one is too simple - I am just finding the idea of a skegless Foster boat odd. The cockpit - do you mean it has an ocean cockpit? Yes to photos... the mystery deepens.

	Vyneck it is, just checked Posted by: Marek on Oct-01-12 1:17 PM (EST)
	Well, still need a rudder! Suggestions on kits? Since I'm not "perky member" photos are here: https://picasaweb.google.com/105040027225135937076/October12012

	The mystery............. Posted by: blackboat on Sep-21-12 3:33 PM (EST)
	.........I'll bet it's a Vyneck.

	Description of the Vyneck Posted by: Celia on Sep-21-12 3:39 PM (EST)
	If I were to grab an older Foster kayak for racing this one would look interesting - here's a link to info on it. I bet it is, the behavior described by the OPer is more usually associated with the Silhouette than the Legend. http://www.nigelfosterdesigns.com/852/5801.htmlxjavior..

	The ocean cockpit is the smoking gun Posted by: blackboat on Sep-21-12 6:36 PM (EST)
	...and I'll go so far as to bet it's this very boat...http://www.waterbugg.net/images/Classifieds09/Vyneck_01S.JPG

	Skegless Legends . . Posted by: Spaf on Sep-21-12 6:48 PM (EST)
	. . do happen. Seaward lists one that was custom made in their current inventory.

	But............. Posted by: blackboat on Sep-21-12 6:50 PM (EST)
	.............ocean cockpit ???

	Or not.................. Posted by: blackboat on Sep-21-12 6:49 PM (EST)
	..............just spotted the logo on the bow....but I'm still sayin' Vyneck......GIVE US PICS !!!

	Rudder for Foster Legend? Posted by: Marek on Oct-01-12 1:38 PM (EST)
	Blackboat, I think you are right; Vynack it is! Still need a rudder, any suggestions? Since I'm not a "perky" member pics are here: https://picasaweb.google.com/105040027225135937076/October12012

	Superior Kayaks skeg kit....... Posted by: blackboat on Oct-01-12 10:57 PM (EST)
	.........just as easy to install, less expensive, and FAR less blasphemous than a rudder.