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  What is your all time Favorite Canoe
  Posted by: mcimes on Apr-10-12 8:39 PM (EST)
   Category: Canoes 

-- Last Updated: Apr-10-12 8:42 PM EST --

After pondering what canoe to get for a while Ive decided I need more information from the wise folks on here.

So, whats your favorite canoe for...

1. All around. "If you could only have 1 canoe" that is most versatile. good for everything.

2. Big lakes (long distances over open water, possibly large waves, heavy loads, a week of gear)

3. Casual recreational canoeing (slow rivers, small/medium lakes, day trips)

4. White water (maybe class 2 or 3? also decent on the flat stretches)

5. Other? if I forgot something pipe up.

Or feel free to rant about the most over or under rated qualities in a canoe, the most important characteristics, forgotten gems, or just chime in with your 2 cents.

Thanks in advance!


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  I'll go first
  Posted by: daggermat on Apr-10-12 8:58 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Apr-10-12 9:08 PM EST --

1) no way could I have just one canoe. If I was limited I'd take a Millbrook Coho, or if ABS, a Dagger Legend, maybe a Bell Chestnut Prospector.Maybe something else lol.
2)I like my Swift Dumoine. Good tandem, decent hauling, got some rocker and it's first 10' blew me and my kid away 12 years ago.Instant love.
3)I'd say my Dagger Reflection. Basicallly a pig, but tough royalex.
4)hard to answer this one. Cl3 and tracking just don't go together. I'd go with my Millbrook Flashback. It's so petite (27 pounds) it stays really dry, and a twitch of the blade will straighten it out. Really an early slaom design.
5)Poling canoe_Millbrook Souhegan. A Lamborgini of poling canoes imho. I got to pole the designers personal boat several times, and I'd get that extra layer of glass Ed used to get in his.
all around whitewater Dagger Encore. Tough s.o.b.,5-6" rocker, sweet secondary stability.

Overated...that silly keel thing for tracking. Cupholders. Twintex.


Yeah, I'm old school (cheap)

 
 
  One canoe for everything?
  Posted by: FrankNC on Apr-10-12 9:08 PM (EST)
I'd get an Old Town Penobscot 16 in royalex and call it good.

Or maybe a Mad River Explorer.

 
 
  Swift Heron
  Posted by: kayamedic on Apr-10-12 9:07 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Apr-10-12 9:09 PM EST --

but it is so patched and the metal gunwales were replaced with wood that it is no longer quite the joy for portaging on solo canoe trips with several kilometers of portages on one day.

I bet no one else has one. A few were made in the early 90's. Probably only a few because it is round bottomed and ...er ..twitchy. The mold also had problems. Probably mold refurb costs vs attractiveness for entry level paddler (none) did not balance.

I think it is fast. CEW has theoretical figures that may differ.

Oh and its bubble sided. Heel with care.

 
 
  I have it
  Posted by: captainsmollett on Apr-10-12 9:16 PM (EST)
My favorite all around canoe, and favorite of all time is my Kruger Sea Wind. Haven't found anything it can't handle yet, although I don't do really rough whitewater. Carries a lot, comfortable, dry, and just a well thought out and well made design. I take mine everywhere, I sleep in it anchored or tied off to shore, I fish from it, and I can't say enough good about it. I love that boat and when I finally pass from this earth I will probably be buried in it. (even though thats kind of a waste of a perfectly good boat) I love it that much.
 
 
  Me favooite canoo,,
  Posted by: FatElmo on Apr-10-12 9:19 PM (EST)
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Wat kin ah' say.... me 1978 Old Town Tripper - 'Mukmukwum'. Wat canoo do ah' use de most.... Hippie Canoo an' Tyler too which be a Vermont built Mad River Guide.

But than agin' ah' sure do like me Chestnut Prospector, me MR Independence, me Old Town Cascade, an'... oh never mind!

FE

 
 
  Great Discussion Forum topic.
  Posted by: g2d on Apr-10-12 10:10 PM (EST)
 
 
  sorry librarian...
  Posted by: kayamedic on Apr-10-12 10:13 PM (EST)
don't worry it will sink soon anyway..

How is your personal card catalogue at tax time?
 
 
  Solo
  Posted by: rblturtle on Apr-11-12 6:56 AM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Apr-11-12 6:58 AM EST --

I am a single paddle solo paddler. The most versitle solo boat for my use is my Swift Osprey in Expidition kevlar layup. I have kept mine longer than any other boat. I don't use it much as I have other boats I like more for specific uses,but none of them is as versitle as the Osprey. Big capicity,fast enough,turns well,tough,handles any moving water I want to padde in. Strangly,it is far from my "favorite". I have developed no fondness for it and havn't named it as I do most of my boats.It would be my one solo boat choice if so forced.
Turtle

 
 
  So, it's like your "spouse"? };>)
  Posted by: g2d on Apr-11-12 11:15 AM (EST)
 
 
  solo or tandem?
  Posted by: pblanc on Apr-11-12 7:29 AM (EST)
Canoes that can be used for "everything" generally excel at nothing.

For tandem canoes I guess my Kevlar Mad River Explorer is as good a choice as any. It isn't fast or particularly nimble but it is tolerable, will carry a prodigious load, and is not too egregious to carry.

I agree with Turtle that the Swift Osprey is a quite outstanding compromise boat that can be used for flat water, rivers, and canoe camping.
 
 
  my experience
  Posted by: kebs on Apr-11-12 8:36 AM (EST)
All Around : Wenonah Echo Paddled that boat in class 2 WW and on BWCA trips on Basswood Lake...

Lake Boat: Wenonah Minn2 just about perfect for big loads and moving fast.

Casual River: Dagger Reflection 15 or Bell Yellowstone

River Boat Class 2/3 Wenonah Rougue tandem, Mad River Outrage Solo

General Purpose Solo Wenonah vagabond

Again, all the above are boats I have actually owned or paddled multiple times. I am sure there are many other good boats out there.
 
 
  I tend to love the one I'm with
  Posted by: clarion on Apr-11-12 8:45 AM (EST)
... and a good part of that is putting boats where they shine instead of trying to drive a squareish peg into a roundish hole
 
 
  16' Prospector
  Posted by: pgeorg on Apr-11-12 8:58 AM (EST)
If I had to have only one this would be it. It would have two seats and a kneeling thwart for solo paddling. As others have pointed out, no single canoe really does it all, but this comes closer than anything else that I have owned and have solid experience with.

My second favorite, if I'm allowed two, would be the Blue Hole Prowler that I also owned for a while and regret selling. It was just a bit smaller and was easy to solo from the front seat turned around.

Peter

 
 
  Solo has to be Wildfire
  Posted by: stevet on Apr-11-12 9:16 AM (EST)
it just does everything I need. Tandem I guess would be Hemlock Eagle, not fast, but comfortable and nice looking.

Had a Curtis Nomad that was my go to until I supersized myself out of it.

River boat was an old Apple tandem set up as solo...can't remember the model name.

For pure aesthetics it would have to be a Lotus Caper...sort of regretting selling that one.

Purely for the feel of nostalgia I love my 1920 OT 50# model set up as solo. HEAVY by today's standards but you can't duplicate the warm fuzzy feeling of old wood.
 
 
  C4 rules
  Posted by: DAVEMCADOO on Apr-11-12 11:35 AM (EST)
It is so versatile for hauling many or much stuff. It is the boat of choice for the 90 miler and I hope to do the 90 in a c4 this sept.
 
 
  I have limited experience
  Posted by: riverstrider on Apr-11-12 1:22 PM (EST)
But I'll chime in anyways. My do everything boat is a royalex Mad River Explorer. It does nothing exceptionally well, except maybe for canoe poling. But I can set it up solo or tandem, take it anywhere and into anything (and have), paddle it empty or with a week's worth of gear.

But if I'm doing extended solo expedition paddling with gear through a variety of conditions, or paddling anywhere with big lakes, or doing any trip that involves any extended portaging, you'll find me in my Hemlock Canoe Works SRT. And except for poling, so far this boat has excelled in everything from flat water to Class III rapids.

YMMV

-Chuck
 
 
  tandem or solo?
  Posted by: paddlingpika on Apr-11-12 1:40 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Apr-11-12 2:09 PM EST --

1. I've been looking for a lighter weight replacement for my Old Town Tripper as my all-around tandem, but haven't found anything that would be quite as versatile. The tripper can handle both whitewater and flatwater (though it gets blown around in the wind on day trips without much load and can feel like paddling a barge). It is big and stable so it is good for taking beginners out and can carry one or two passengers too, so non-paddling friends can go along. It is a rugged canoe and can take a beating. Old Town advertises it as making whitewater an experience anyone can enjoy and that is a good description. Although I don't have much experience with different tandem canoes, I can't think of any canoe I'd rather have for paddling through rapids with an inexperienced partner.

For all-around solo I'd say a Mohawk Odyssey.

For the other questions I don't have enough experience with different tandems to choose a favorite, so I'll answer for my solo choices.

2. I'd take my Wenonah Voyager with a wind/spray cover, though I haven't tried other options under these conditions.

3. Flashfire. Hemlock Kestrel if the trip is longer distance and/or less maneuvering.

4. For mixed whitewater and flatwater, Mohawk Odyssey.

 
 
  I'm A Fortunate Man
  Posted by: wildernesswebb on Apr-11-12 3:29 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Apr-11-12 3:31 PM EST --

I have found 3 that suit my needs exceedingly well.

1-Mad River Courier (Kevlar) for tripping solo. Paddles nicely, although; not as efficient a tripper as another of my favorites, the Sawyer Autumn Mist. But it will handle big winds, big waves, and big loads safely and efficiently. Lake or river, it handles both without problem. Very dependable secondary stability.

2-Dagger/Mad River Reflection 15. This one is my "Everyday" boat to mess around on Ozark streams every day. Dagger's royalex was "Bomber" and should last the rest of my life. Easy to maneuver, dependable stability, no slouch on paddling ease, low enough stems to not be a problem in the wind and no bad habits. Probably the nicest royalex boat I've paddled for me, and I've paddled a BUNCH.

3-Bell/Colden Starfire. Solo or tandem it's playful, easy paddling, can carry a big guy and a pasenger or two smaller paddlers. Predictable stability, catches eddies at will, I can "Think" what I want and this boat does it! Black gold layup seems very nice, but I will cringe with every scratch because i "Love this boat!

I have finally, after many years, finally found 3 boats that fill all my needs. No WW except class I and a rare Class II ledge for me, so I'm no help on WW boats. Sunny, Blue Belle, and Black Beauty are now in my barn awaiting their next adventure.
http://www.pbase.com/image/133250836
http://www.pbase.com/ozarkpaddler/image/142380714
http://www.pbase.com/ozarkpaddler/image/142511294

 
 
  Hemlock SRT for solo paddling
  Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Apr-11-12 3:55 PM (EST)
I own lots of canoes and have had different favorites at different times.

Right now, I would and do choose my Hemlock SRT for all the situations set forth in the OP. You can read why in my review of the boat on this site.
 
 
  Addition for WW: the ME
  Posted by: Glenn_MacGrady on Apr-12-12 2:10 AM (EST)
For real WW I have many aging canoes, but my favorite of all time is my heyday canoe, the John Berry designed ME. I had a Royalex version from Mad River, which I stupidly sold on the Cheat River 25 years ago, and a Kevlar version made and signed by John Berry at his Millbrook shop in the Adirondacks.
 
 
  All time favorite canoes
  Posted by: TommyC1 on Apr-11-12 4:02 PM (EST)
I do not paddle tandem if I can possibly help it.

1. All around.
Swift Osprey in Expedition Kevlar. I do not believe Swift currently has a layup that compares. Tough as nails. Good on rivers to Class II+. Eats up the miles. Hauls a load. Plays nicely.

2. Big lakes
Bell Magic. Loves the wind and the waves!

3. Casual recreational canoeing (slow rivers, small/medium lakes, day trips) Swift Osprey, Bell Magic, Bell Wildfire, Mad River Independence, Millbrook Souhegan, etc. I love them all.

4. White water (maybe class 2 or 3? also decent on the flat stretches)
Mad River Outrage. I'm only good to Cl III. The boat will do better with a decent pilot.


 
 
  Tandem Canoe Favorites
  Posted by: plaidpaddler on Apr-11-12 4:44 PM (EST)
1) Wenonah 17'Spirit. After 29 Years and thousands of miles, This is the "go to" boat.
2) Wenonah Minnesota IV. Its big, its fast, it hauls everything including the kitchen sink as a tandem, it hauls new paddlers along safely as a C-4.
3) Back to the 17'Spirit. You can send out new paddlers and it gets them where they need to go. Stable, easy to paddle and efficient,
4)WW- I don't paddle anywhere you need to wear a helmet.
5) Other- Old Town Discovery 174- For a loaner to those who beg to borrow a canoe and who paddle better in their minds than on the water.
Bill
 
 
  I have:
  Posted by: jackl on Apr-11-12 7:02 PM (EST)
An Old town Penobscot 16 roylex, an Old town disco 159 cross linked poly, a Wenonah ultralight Jensen 17,
A Diller 18'-6" carbon/kevlar susquehanna and several solos. If I had to get rid of all but one, I would keep the Jensen 17.
I love that boat. It has won my wife and I a bunch of trophies and plaques, and except for the class III, I take it in I-II rivers, (yes I have had to patch it a few times). It has been in big water on ten mile long lakes, through the Everglades and many swamps and rivers, and is part of the family.
The Susquehanna is faster. the Penobscot is better in WW, and the OT disco is industructable, but the Jensen is a do all boat in my estimation.
If we are talking ocean, none of the above can equal my QCC-700 Kayak
Jack L
 
 
  My favorite canoe.............
  Posted by: thebob.com on Apr-12-12 12:13 AM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Apr-16-12 1:14 PM EST --

I've never owned one canoe that was my #1, all time favorite, does it all well canoe.
I don't think such a canoe exists.
That may be one reason I have too many canoes?
The right canoe for the right venue mentality.

Will not go on for paragraphs describing some of my favorites; most people who have owned them know why.

Bell Wildfire
Bell Flashfire
Hemlock SRT
Swift Osprey
Curtis Dragonfly
Mad River Guide
Mohawk Odyssey
Mohawk Probe 12 II
Whitesell Piranha
Mad River Outrage X
Lotus Caper
Blackhawk Zephyr
Blackhawk Ariel
Blackhawk Starship
Chestnut Pal

That's my 2 cents worth.

BOB

 
 
  Canoe fleet
  Posted by: rblturtle on Apr-12-12 7:03 AM (EST)
Unlike some,I buy and sell a lot. I value the boats as a tool,not "stuff'. It's a refining process toward perfection for a purpose. Favorites?
- My Colden Flashfire-a Lotus sportscar-you almost wear it,fere sensual. Also my litest so used for long carrys.
-My Hemlock Kestral-most wind resisant lake boat I have ever paddles,and I can make miles with the least effort. Also pretty.
-Esquif Echo-the best handling royalex boat I have paddled-My winter and big freestyle boat.
-My Novacraft Pal paddled solo-Just a sweet boat with no sharp edges-aptly named.
Turtle
 
 
  All time favorite?
  Posted by: steve_in_idaho on Apr-12-12 2:37 PM (EST)
I don't have enough time in canoes to qualify that. How about my "right now favorite"?

That would be my Millbrook Coho.

Two reasons for that...
1) I like to pole more than paddle.
2) It weighs under 50lbs outfitted with flotation bags.

Lots of good canoes out there that could qualify as "favorites". Plenty of them mentioned above. Some of them I have. But regardless of the design - if you get a lightweight composite hull, you will use it more.
 
 
  I wish I had an all-time favorite ...
  Posted by: guideboatguy on Apr-12-12 3:42 PM (EST)
... for each of those categories. If I had a justifiable favorite for any category it would mean I've paddled a whole bunch of different boats. However, since quite a few folks are clearly in the same situation but have described what they like about certain boats they have, I'll do the same.

For general-purpose, jack-of-all-trades type of use, the Mowhawk Odyssey 14 works extremely well for me. It's maneuverable enough to be a lot of fun in easy whitewater, and it cruises well enough to be "adequate" for that purpose if it's not the main type of water I'm on that day. Where it shines is in places where manueverability is nice to have but not something which is needed in extreme measure. About 90 percent of my canoeing is solo on small twisty rivers. In that environment, this boat maneuvers easily enough to take the "work" out of getting through the tight spots, but it's not so manueverable that straight-line paddling requires much attention to detail or detracts too much from speed. I really enjoy that boat on tiny rivers, especially in places where getting the boat through a tangle of fallen trees requires all sorts of little zigs and zags while crosswise to the current. On little rivers it never seems like I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

I don't paddle "whitewater" the way some folks here do. I've only dabbled in whitewater of a sort that many here would consider very mild. I'm wanting to do more of that though, and so far I'm pretty happy with the Novacraft Supernova. The hull cross section is very round (much less flat than that of any other "normal" canoe I've seen so far), and the rocker is continuous from each end right to the center, so there's sort of a "bulge" right around the paddler on which the boat can pivot or feel comfortable with any amount of lean. It's not so prone to turning as a whitewater boat, but the design is trending in that direction without really departing from the design of a traditional northwoods canoe. I'm really amazed that it isn't unusually slow on account of that shape too. Anyway, it's a forgiving hull shape in turbulence. On my first Class-II trip, I screwed up an attempt at surfing in a hole and got stuck in there sideways to the current. By rights I should have been thrashed, but the round bottom, non-grabby stems and the lack of a typical (sharper) junction between the bottom and sides of the hull made the boat pretty immune to getting flipped during the minute or so that it took for me to figure out how to escape. All the less-harrowing things I've done in swift water so far have been really fun in that boat.

When it comes to trips where efficient cruising is a good thing and not much tight turning is needed, my Bell Merlin II works pretty well. I can't say I love the boat, but it's nice and I doubt I'll ever look for a replacement. I'm still a little ticked at Bell for overlooking the twisted keel line that's molded into the tail end of these boats. Most people don't notice its effect when paddling, but feeling the effect is how I discovered the defect in the first place. I keep saying I'll fair it out into a more-symmetrical shape someday. A weight of just 31 pounds is a good reason for liking it too.

For real ease of travel where a lot of turning isn't needed, especially on big water where wind and big waves come into the picture, I don't consider a solo canoe to even be in the same league as a good rowing boat. I row hundreds of miles per year, and while canoers usually hate to face strong wind, those are days I try my best to get out rowing. I think bringing up the subject of rowing is more "fair" to this discussion than if someone were to say they prefer a kayak for open-water cruising, because when rowing I'm still in an open boat with all the gear-hauling attributes and the same no-fuss entry/exit manners of a canoe, but none of the self-rescue attributes or extreme immunity to wind that you get with a kayak.
 
 
  yo, gbg
  Posted by: daggermat on Apr-12-12 7:26 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Apr-12-12 7:30 PM EST --

that "getting stuck in the hole sideways" is called a sidesurf....and YOU MEANT TO DO THAT ;-)!!!
Actually done intentially by those not knowing any better.
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2551743700075003331ebwYBx
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2973735740075003331SRHWch

and unlike a front surf
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2071714290075003331zKtQlA
a side surf will allow you to check out the scene downriver, and under the right conditions, allow you to get your....act...together.
Very fun to find a spot to try "looping" which is a front into side into rear surf. Attmpts by my son Aaron and buddy Eckilson
http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3012421670094366337OlDXso

Best about 50 seconds in. My kid was 13, soloing a canoe we tandem at 450 pounds combined weight now....NEKKID!

 
 
  FAV
  Posted by: jrw on Apr-12-12 7:39 PM (EST)
My Sawyer Autumn Mist
 
 
  My next one!
  Posted by: baldpaddler on Apr-12-12 9:21 PM (EST)
Sorry i always look to the next boat next river bend bend next eddy..... currently my favorite is a Passage(xl) sitting in the boat shop waiting outfitting and seats....
 
 
  Probably my Curtis Lady Bug.
  Posted by: Yanoer on Apr-13-12 10:59 PM (EST)
Number 3 is about all I do.

3. Casual recreational canoeing (slow rivers, small/medium lakes, day trips)

It's just 32 lbs, a good fit for for my 5'6" 160 lb body, plenty stable, tracks well enough, maneuverable enough for some pretty twisty streams, crosses eddy lines pretty well, paddles well sitting or kneeling and is pretty and pretty efficient at moderate cruising speeds and handles pretty well in the wind and is fun to mess around in.

 
 
  I'm confused
  Posted by: kayamedic on Apr-13-12 11:03 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Apr-13-12 11:03 PM EST --

The "pretty" Lady Bug is the blue and red splotched thing that takes you to amazing places for you to have wonderful experiences?

Sorry couldn't resist..BW.

 
 
  It paddles beautifully..............
  Posted by: Yanoer on Apr-14-12 12:32 AM (EST)
but my white one is much, much prettier to look at.

The blue, red & black blotchy one is less likely to get stolen and much more relaxing to grind across rocks & gravel bars, but 17 lbs heavier to carry.
 
 
  Oh,...I have not met your pretty
  Posted by: kayamedic on Apr-16-12 12:06 PM (EST)
lady then...lol.
 
 
  Tough choices
  Posted by: mr_canoehead on Apr-14-12 8:19 PM (EST)
1. All around. "If you could only have 1 canoe"
Hellman Slocan
Clipper Prospector 17 Duraflex

2. Big lakes (long distances over open water, possibly large waves, heavy loads, a week of gear)
Souris River Prospector 17
Wenonah Spirit II
Clipper Tripper

3. Casual recreational canoeing (slow rivers, small/medium lakes, day trips)
Any of the above, or Souris River/Hellman Quetico

4. White water (maybe class 2 or 3? also decent on the flat stretches)
Either boat from #1
Esquif Canyon

5. Other? if I forgot something pipe up.
Clipper Mackenzie/Old Town Tripper XL (best for no-portage trips, really long trips, trips with kids)
Pak-Boat 17 (most portable - best for fly-in trips)
Wenonah Minnesota II (best "fast" tripping canoe)
Novacraft Prospector sp3 (best really cheap canoe)
 
 
  Great thread !
  Posted by: peterj on Apr-16-12 11:49 AM (EST)
All around: ( the one we travel with ) Blue Water, Freedom, Tripper 17. No shortage of names. Speedy enough to head upstream (no shuttle, good workout) very manouverable, tough kevlar/epoxy layup, will just handle class 2 with a light team (260#), just small enough to solo if the wind is mild, and weighs 50 pounds. Also got a lot of use out of a Kevlar Explorer, it is bigger, more stable, but slower and less manouverable. I spent a lot of time looking for fast AND manouverable. The Canadians build speedy hulls with rocker.
Big Lakes: pass
Casual recreation: Mad River Malecite
Whitewater with flats: Mad River Royalex Explorer
 
 
  Well...
  Posted by: bellcapt on Apr-16-12 1:37 PM (EST)
I, too, am down to option 3 (does that make it my option 1?). But my beloved Baboosic just barely edges out my BG Wildfire.
 

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