Square Stern Canoes
Posted by: kimoj44 on Mar-09-12 8:15 PM (EST) Category: Canoes
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Hello. I'm about to purchase an Old Town Predator SS150 -- $1079. I'd like some confirmation as to my reasonings for purchase before I go ahead and plunk down all the $$$$. :-) I can also get a Wenonah Back Water for about $40 more made of Royaflex.....while the predator is 3 layers of Polyethylene. Is the Royaflex a better material in the long term?
1. I'll mainly be using it for taking out the family (with many little kids) to paddle around lakes and fish. However, I understand that it is quite difficult to paddle. The salesman advised me to get some oars instead. Thoughts?
2. With 2 people paddling would there be that much difference compared to a regular canoe (no square stern)?
3. Would an electric trolling motor with about 45 pounds of thrust help out in a sufficient way?
Thanks for any isight on these questions or other things I might consider.
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Royalex vs Polyethylene|
Posted by: pblanc on Mar-09-12 8:38 PM (EST)
Both Royalex and three layer polyethylene are pretty tough materials but Royalex is quite significantly lighter. You are looking at buying a canoe with an advertised weight of well over 100 lbs. Unless you park it on a lake it is going to be a bear to transport.
Posted by: kimoj44 on Mar-09-12 9:06 PM (EST)
Thanks for the reply. It seems that square sterns don't track/paddle well and it isn't advisable to put a side mounted motor on a regular canoe. I can see my boys wanted to do some of both although fishing is there main point. They want to be able to get out into the middle of the lake and not be stuck on the shore. Although, I can see that at times it would be fun to paddle.
Square stern paddleability|
Posted by: CEWilson on Mar-09-12 11:37 PM (EST)
Most Square stern canoes paddle poorly because cutting the back of a canoe off removes it's rudder. Block co-efficient is the prime indicator of paddlecraft course keeping. Take the waterline length, width and depth for the block: the less of it the hull fills the better it tracks. That cut off back ruins any concept of fineness of lines.
A few thoughts|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Mar-09-12 11:40 PM (EST)
Posted by: kimoj44 on Mar-10-12 10:04 AM (EST)
I appreciate all the detailed advice. Like you said, there are trade-offs which ever way I go.
Posted by: pblanc on Mar-10-12 10:50 AM (EST)
The Old Town Discovery 169 is very stable. It would certainly be more fun to paddle than the square stern canoes. It is made of three layer polyethylene and most folks on this forum would probably consider it to be very heavy, but it is a positive light weight compared to the Predator.
Posted by: guideboatguy on Mar-10-12 10:44 PM (EST)
Square stern canoes|
Posted by: goobs on Mar-10-12 10:58 AM (EST)
Rowing an SS150|
Posted by: FrankNC on Mar-10-12 12:16 PM (EST)
It is a great rowboat and simply an awful canoe! Get the standard Factory set up for the middle seat rowing and put one child in front of the boat and one in back.
Posted by: kimoj44 on Mar-10-12 3:36 PM (EST)
Thanks for those yahoo groups. Very insightful. I read of one guy who was wanting to get a Discovery Sport 15 (same as Predator) but he was concerned about the flex that might happen with royalex and 3-ply polyethlene during the rowing process -- and that oil canning would make for a bad experience? Is this a concern? He thought he should stick to fiberglass for its rigidity.
composite vs plastic canoes|
Posted by: pblanc on Mar-10-12 5:16 PM (EST)
Composite boats are stiffer (as well as lighter) and they paddle better than either Royalex or polyethylene.
Posted by: kimoj44 on Mar-10-12 8:18 PM (EST)
I have a bead on a Tripper 172....... would this be a good consideration for family outings? Again, this would be my main use.
Tripper is |
Posted by: rpg51 on Mar-10-12 11:38 PM (EST)
an excellent all around canoe that will last a lifetime.
Posted by: kimoj44 on Mar-10-12 11:59 PM (EST)
The seller sent me some pics............. seems the hull is a bit more rounded than a discovery sport.........
I wonder if you |
Posted by: rpg51 on Mar-11-12 11:00 AM (EST)
would be better off with a small boat rather than a canoe? Leaning over the side of canoe is not generally recommended. Canoes are terrific for speed, shallow water performance and portability. Many people bring children in a canoe - I did - but it does requires some awareness of the limits of the craft. The Tripper is a very stable canoe and a great all around canoe.
Safety and Fun in Canoes|
Posted by: osprey on Mar-12-12 8:47 AM (EST)
I think you eventually find out that safety is more about preparation and experience than the type of watercraft you are in. People overload, drink, fail to watch the weather, etc. and get themselves into trouble.