A kayak rolling question
Posted by: old_user on May-02-11 2:12 PM (EST) Category: Kayaking Technique
-- Last Updated: May-02-11 2:15 PM EST --
I tried to search out topics that addressed this, but without luck.
My wife is new to Kayaking, and her first boat is a "Nifty 430" by Delsyk. She has gotten a Neoprene sprayskirt, and removed the rigid seat back and installed a back band in the boat.
She is taking a class that is geared towards WW boating in a pool nearby, and part of the lessons are rolling in the WW boats provided.
She would like to be able to roll her own boat, and may get the chance to try in a couple weeks during the 2 final classes.
My question is this: We are getting differing feedback on if it's realistic for her to try to learn/roll in a 24" wide boat. We have seen a video on youtube showing a Necky Elaho being rolled, and it looks similar to hers; but that person may have years of experience.
There is a photo series showing a 430 next to an Elaho here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/59078921@N00/sets/72157619025493469/with/3587002238/
So, is it realistic to expect to be able to learn to roll in this craft, or is this setting her up for disappointment?
Thanks for any feedback on this!
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How big is she?|
Posted by: Celia on May-02-11 2:18 PM (EST)
Her boat has a cockpit that is 35 inches long inside if I found right. First can she hit the thigh braces? If she is coming short or barely touching them, that's a bigger problem than the width.
She's not tiny, ~160lbs|
Posted by: old_user on May-02-11 2:31 PM (EST)
She has done some "fitting" and the boat is snug to her OK. The thigh braces are OK, as far as her being locked into them.
Yes Rolling is Possible|
Posted by: steveey on May-02-11 2:44 PM (EST)
The 24 " width should not stop her from rolling. She will need good contact with her boat ( thighs/knees, hips feet) to help with her roll. Learning with the WW boats will help as they normally have a better set up for contact vrs touring or rec boats
Limitations of pics online|
Posted by: Celia on May-02-11 6:25 PM (EST)
Those edges and diamond nonsense|
Posted by: salty on May-06-11 12:11 AM (EST)
mean zero to rolling. ZERO. They may mean something to catalogue readers, but they are nothing more than marketing hype. Believe me on this one.............
Didn't say it was the edges per se|
Posted by: Celia on May-06-11 7:45 AM (EST)
The Elaho is a fun, great boat for rolling. The Delsyk it appears has some similarities in design lineage, thru the designer. So the two should relate.
Posted by: salty on May-02-11 2:55 PM (EST)
will have her rolling in 30 minutes or less. That's my guess. This is an easy skill that is over-intellectualized by fearful, or timid folk.
thank you salty!!!|
Posted by: slushpaddler on May-02-11 9:39 PM (EST)
almost anyone can learn to roll but not|
Posted by: wilsoj2 on May-04-11 2:51 PM (EST)
"...almost anyone can learn to roll but not everyone can teach."
she should be able to roll|
Posted by: Peter-CA on May-02-11 5:03 PM (EST)
If I remember hearing right, the Nifty was made by Mike Neckar, who was one of the original people behind Necky Kayaks. It is very similar to the old Looksha Sports.
Posted by: Kudzu on May-02-11 5:15 PM (EST)
Most modern play boats|
Posted by: salty on May-02-11 6:34 PM (EST)
are very wide across the hull and make for hard C to C type rolls. As a result there's been a move to more sweep in the rolling with these hulls.
I Understand... Simple is Good.|
Posted by: Kudzu on May-02-11 6:54 PM (EST)
It's just that I walked away from those ww-boats-only classes with such a crappy roll. Very discouraging. Jackson's DVD, good tips from fellow PNetters, and the GP helped me tremendously.
use provided boat|
Posted by: suiram on May-02-11 6:39 PM (EST)
It is realistic to learn rolling in that boat, but considering confines of the pool she will have more fun in a shorter ww boat.
Posted by: davejjj on May-02-11 6:42 PM (EST)
Looks like a perfectly nice boat with thigh hooks. Should not be a problem. Tell her to start with an extended paddle roll (Pawlata).
Posted by: jaybabina on May-06-11 7:19 AM (EST)
Plus un-feather the paddle.
Posted by: paatit on May-02-11 11:34 PM (EST)
Fit looks good in the boat. It's key not to fall out....
High back deck|
Posted by: bhmacin on May-03-11 4:38 PM (EST)
Only downside of this boat is a high back deck which might make layback rolls a little more difficult.
Posted by: Kudzu on May-07-11 5:31 AM (EST)
Posted by: slushpaddler on May-07-11 8:16 AM (EST)
The QCC squad will be stopping by shortly.
You Got DAT Right.|
Posted by: Kudzu on May-07-11 10:30 AM (EST)
I wanted to love that boat so much. Had the money in my pocket to buy it. I guess if carrying capacity was high priority all that volume back there is good.
QCC Deck height|
Posted by: CTYaker on May-11-11 1:38 PM (EST)
Same here. I was ready to get the 500, and when I tested one owned by a local, the back deck height and lack of a day hatch changed my mind. I went with a P&H Capella173 and am much more comfortable in it. I plan to attempt some rolling as soon as I get the cover off the pool...
Posted by: old_user on May-09-11 9:59 AM (EST)
Thanks all for your inputs. She will take her boat to the class on Monday, the 16th, so we will see if she manage it without to much frustration!