Posted by: old_user on Oct-22-10 7:55 PM (EST) Category: Canoes
Greetings: I was looking at the Sportspal canoes and noticed that they have sponsons attached. Are those more for unsinkability if swamped, or do they actually help keep the boat from tipping if leaned over too far? I was thinking of buying some for my 13' Grumman if they will assist in a further lean angle.
Sportspal sells them for about $50. per set.
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Posted by: guideboatguy on Oct-22-10 8:12 PM (EST)
Do you ever plan to use a single-blade paddle, that is, a "canoe paddle" with this boat? If so, ditch the sponson idea. A "good" forward stroke with a canoe paddle requires the shaft of the paddle to be essentially vertical, and right alongside the gunwale (that's doesn't mean follow the curve of the gunwale, but being right alongside the gunwale when the stroke passes the widest part of the boat). Sometimes this process gets exaggerated, like this: I often "cheat" a bit on startup strokes or when temporarily wanting to minimize the need for course correction or when wanting to turn the boat toward the paddle side, and I'll actually reach under the hull during the stroke. That gets the blade of the paddle even closer to the centerline of the boat. Adding a few inches of foam to the outside of the boat will only get in the way of a proper forward stroke and any time you "cheat" on stroke placement like that.
Posted by: thebob.com on Oct-22-10 9:15 PM (EST)
What problem do you have with lean|
Posted by: ezwater on Oct-22-10 9:26 PM (EST)
angle on your 13' Grumman? Though small, it should not be "inclined" to lean too far.
Its very hard to bury|
Posted by: kayamedic on Oct-22-10 10:40 PM (EST)
the rail in the water on Grumman..We have all seen those theoretical diagrams of flat bottomed boats get buried in broadside waves but I had one for fifteen years of tripping and never managed an accidental dump.
Slabsided tumblehome will do it.|
Posted by: ezwater on Oct-23-10 12:28 PM (EST)
I have a Noah ww kayak with a flat bottom, relatively hard chines, and slab sides that cant inward. It has very little initial stability and very little "final" stability.
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Posted by: wildernesswebb on Oct-23-10 3:37 AM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Oct-23-10 11:43 AM (EST)
That answers that, then. Thanks. I think I'll save my $50 and put it towards a good paddle. I only dumped my Grumman the day I got it (it's 35 years old, bought it used a few weeks ago). I was in my swimming pool and reached behind me, leaning over the gunwale. Over I went! Took it out on the bay the next day and had a great time. I was instructed here to keep my head in the boat. Good advice!
That's not surprising|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Oct-23-10 1:58 PM (EST)
I just perused their website and if their site is representative of anything I'd be surprised if most folks there have ever even seen a canoe, unless maybe they are older than 45. They did have a three shots of ONE guy in a canoe who paddles using the goon stroke. There's almost no end to their info about kayaks though.
Double bladed paddle|
Posted by: kayamedic on Oct-23-10 4:11 PM (EST)
if the width of the boat is about 30 inches you might be able to eke by with a 240 cm kayak paddle.