17' Smoker Craft Canoe?
Posted by: old_user on Jul-25-10 11:20 PM (EST) Category: Canoes
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A few years ago I gave away a 17' smoker craft aluminum canoe(Not sure of the year but probably 70-80's. It was my brothers and had been sitting in my parents yard for years.
I do not know anything about Smoker Crafts or Old Towns. Is the Smoker craft worth replacing?
I am going to replace the canoe. My question is should I replace with the exact boat? Or should I just buy a new Old Town Disc $ 500-600
The canoe will be used on a 800 acre lake and maybe some Ozark Rivers. Current,Jacks Fork, Eleven Point and Buffalo. If he will let me borrow it?
He has 2 kids and a wife now, and I want to replace it this summer.
I have found a 17' smoker craft used for $ 300.
and new Old Town from a box store. $500-600
Im sure it is personal preferece, Any advice would be helpful. Thanks Pete I love the forum
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I'd ask your brother|
Posted by: old_user on Jul-26-10 1:23 PM (EST)
If it was his canoe you gave away, ask him what he'd like. Its possible he might want something abit nicer and could use the money you were gonna spend on a new canoe and toss in some of his own money and get one of higher quality. A new canoe that costs around $500.00 is most likely not the quality you would think it is. Most good canoes costs over a $1000.00 today. The used aluminum is at least quite sturdy whereas the new canoe for $500.00 is probably made of some plastic composite and would damage easily. I hope this advice helps you. Good luck
Just a note about plastic|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Jul-26-10 2:13 PM (EST)
Plastic canoes, at least those I've seen from Old Town, are extremely durable and virtually impossible to damage in normal use. They are, however, quite prone to becoming warped when stored outside in sunshine (though I think Old Town plastic canoes will not warp as much as Coleman, Rogue River, and other ultra-cheap brands). They are also very heavy (of course, aluminum canoes are pretty heavy too).
Their Royalex canoes won't warp in|
Posted by: ezwater on Jul-26-10 2:28 PM (EST)
the sun. I can't speak for their poly sandwich canoes. But I've followed the trials and tribulations of Royalex canoes since about 1980, and I've never seen one warp in the sun. Royalex is more repairable than the poly sandwich used in the Discovery series, and Royalex is lighter. But there are certain kinds of physical stress that may damage Royalex when OT's poly sandwich will survive.
Posted by: guideboatguy on Jul-26-10 2:49 PM (EST)
I'm assuming that for the price mentioned, the canoe in question is "plastic" (poly-something-er-other), rather than Royalex. I've only seen one warped Royalex boat, and that was an old Mad River Guide which clearly had a history of being strapped too tightly to the roof of a car (four-inch depressions at the two strap locations). On the other hand, every "plastic" canoe that gets stored outside that I've ever seen has been warped to at least some degree, except for a couple that were quite new.
The most vulnerable time for denting|
Posted by: ezwater on Jul-26-10 4:39 PM (EST)
Royalex is in the first year after manufacture. The Royalex is soft then. I put slight dents in my Royalex Mad River Synergy when it was new, from snugging the cross ropes. Probably if I used straps, there would have been no problem.
Sounds like either might be fine...|
Posted by: guideboatguy on Jul-26-10 2:15 PM (EST)
... but I'd stay with something that's 17 feet long for family use on a small lake. Kids grow fast, and it isn't long before a 15- or 16-foot canoe gets pretty small.
Posted by: old_user on Jul-26-10 3:59 PM (EST)
Remember one thing..|
Posted by: sloopsailor on Jul-26-10 4:40 PM (EST)
Aluminum sticks to rocks, plastic slides over them. The Old Town in my opinion would be a better choice. Basically.. their stuff lasts and functions well within what it is designed for.
Posted by: old_user on Jul-26-10 5:13 PM (EST)
I was wondering about aluminum sticking to rocks. That would be a concern if we take it to the Ozark Streams!!!!!!! Thank you
go for a Royalex if you at all possible|
Posted by: pilotwingz on Jul-27-10 12:18 AM (EST)
...... 16' minimum , 17' better . I don't say that because they are usually lighter than the polyetylene canoes (which they are) , but because of the less flexing in the hull , which gives better effciency per stroke .
In the 70s, folks waxed aluminum|
Posted by: ezwater on Jul-27-10 12:27 PM (EST)
canoes so they would be less sticky when grounding in shoals. But Royalex boats are the quietest and as slippery as anything else you can buy. Also the hull feels cool on hot Ozark summer days.
Posted by: old_user on Jul-27-10 1:22 PM (EST)
yeah man , now you got it ....|
Posted by: pilotwingz on Jul-27-10 4:20 PM (EST)