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  urination device for women kayakers?
  Posted by: old_user on Mar-17-10 9:00 PM (EST)
   Category: Other Gear 

Looking for recommendations on the female urinal options out there. I'm looking for one that is useable for peeing while in the boat-in other words, while sitting. Most that I have seen are for standing up. I'd like one that I can slip inside my drysuit zipper while I am in the boat (and put the exit end into a bottle). I have one now-a hospital type with an attachment for women but it isn't fool proof and leaks if you use it while sitting. HELP!!!!

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  That is so funny...
  Posted by: old_user on Mar-17-10 9:12 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Mar-17-10 9:15 PM EST --

You just posted this cuz I actually just bought one the other day! I have one quite similar to this one here...

http://www.walgreens.com/store/catalog/Bathroom-Safety/The-Feminal/ID=prod3753332&navCount=1&navAction=push-product?V=G&ec=frgl_&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=sku3752178

That's the first pic I found when I just now quickly Googled. Says "sitting" right there...But I have yet to try it...I bought it for my upcoming Allagah trip. And mainly for while in my tent since I'll only have so much for clothing and well, what if it's raining at say 2am...Or even, hey that's a walk to the outhouse and even just behind a tree, minus rain, there could be a bear! I did see the other ones with the attachment but nah...Even though this one doesn't have a top, (or does it, maybe that's what that white thing off to the side is, well mine doesn't have a top) I liked the looks of not only it's shape but opening better and esp since the opening was built in and not an attachment...But it is a better opening than those with the attachments, I think anyways and I'll just open the tent a little and pour it out. But anyhoo, again I've yet to use it but I did hold it up to me, heehee and it seems great!

 
 
  Which zipper?
  Posted by: Celia on Mar-18-10 8:27 AM (EST)
If you are talking about going thru a guy's p-zip, Campmor (campmor.com) has a small device (FUD) that I have found works pretty well. Best standing, but it'll work in other positions once you get used to it. I don't know if there are bags that specifically go with it, but then again if you deal with that like maost guys all you need is something that'll catch it long enough to empty into the water.

If you are talking about going thru the main zipper, the one across the chest, I don't know of any device that'll be reliable. So - which are you talking about?

 
 
  female urination device
  Posted by: old_user on Mar-19-10 8:10 AM (EST)
Yes, I am talking about going thru the lower zipper a drysuit or in warmer conditions, just into shorts or a layer of fleece. My problem has been finding one that works while you are in the boat-standing isn't a problem, just being in the boat and not having anywhere to land and really needing to pee. thanks, ws
 
 
  Peeing
  Posted by: JerrySmith on Mar-19-10 8:26 AM (EST)
I have a device I bought, but haven't tried, at REI.
It supposedly works for men and women. It's a plastic bag filled containing something than combines with the urine and forms an instant, gel substance. The gel filled bag can be sealed and then disposed of later in the trash or by throwing it out the car window at hitchhikers.
 
 
  Totally uncalled for.....littering.
  Posted by: Cliffjrs on Mar-19-10 9:45 AM (EST)
 
 
  REI sells the Sani-fem Freshette
  Posted by: Just1more on Mar-19-10 10:47 AM (EST)
I have failed miserably with this one although i gave up a little too easily. I understand it takes practice and is supposedly a good product. Might be worth a look-see.
 
 
  That's I think I have
  Posted by: Celia on Mar-19-10 11:40 AM (EST)
Really have to look at the box sometime...

I have no problem with this standing up, just took a couple of practice tries.

For use sitting down, it might help to use it facing backwards. Certainly would be easy enough under regular shorts, may be a little dicier via a dry suit Pzip with that thick zipper. The part of the design that actually catches anything isn't directional, and it'd put things in a better position re gravity.

I agree this one isn't foolproof, but the alternatives are pretty much non-existent for women once you start adding in considerations like while in the boat.
 
 
  .
  Posted by: mjflores on Mar-21-10 4:03 PM (EST)
I believe it was a joke..lighten up!
 
 
  hah!
  Posted by: slushpaddler on Mar-22-10 8:35 PM (EST)
Almost slipped my me.

Lighten up cliff!
 
 
  Tinkle tavern to go...
  Posted by: KathyShoaf on Mar-21-10 1:50 AM (EST)
I've looked at some of the devices out there for women and was wondering about them. I know this is going to sound goofy but I was worrying about overflowing the devices. At my age I have to go and go and go. I don't want to have to go and have a full device and it spill in my yak. Even though I have a SOT I don't want my perfume to be Crystal Tinkle.
 
 
  The GoGirl?
  Posted by: yooperchic on Mar-21-10 10:53 AM (EST)
This is a new product that I saw at Canoecopia; silicone, very small and portable, and forms a seal against your body. It's not exactly what you're looking for, maybe, as it doesn't come with a receptacle for collecting urine, but it might be possible to adapt something. It's certainly better than those horrible hard plastic things sold at the drugstore.
http://www.go-girl.com/
 
 
  Looks questionable with a dry suit
  Posted by: Celia on Mar-22-10 9:57 AM (EST)
The Freshette has a longer tube you can pull out - it's not clear from the ad whether the GoGirl has one. This is critical with a dry suit p-zip.

That said, the rest of the part looks nice. There is no reason to assume you need a toilet with this or any other of the ones like this - as above you can adapt a plastic bottle or bags to the end with a little thought.

I am also not sure about the softer rubber. It sounds good at first, but the harder plastic may be easier to manage in terms of keeping it sanitary over time.
 
 
  Plastic molding - check for defects
  Posted by: paddlingpika on Mar-21-10 8:10 PM (EST)
In retrospect this is obvious, but I tried a new FUD, Whiz Freedom I think, without first checking the exit tube. Turned out that in the manufacturing process it ended up sealed at the exit end - overflows quickly that way! Easy to cut away the extra bit of plastic, but sure would have been less messy if I'd noticed that first.
 
 
  For a minute there...
  Posted by: old_user on Mar-21-10 9:07 PM (EST)
I loved that "Go Girl" and was like, man wish I got that instead with the soft silicone and how it'd fit there all nice...Then I watched the demo and realized, you still need a toilet with that! I thought for a second, hmm, does it go over the can...No...But hmm, can I use that can...Then I realized, that can won't hold much...And you still need a toilet for that thing! So that wouldn't be practical for me...Nor was it what she here was asking about, cuz again, not practical as you still need a toilet with it!
 
 
  Go girl and a plastic bottle...
  Posted by: ctyaker on Mar-22-10 8:12 AM (EST)
with a secure cap. That's what I got for my wife.
 
 
  Limiting part is the tube/funnel
  Posted by: suzanneh on Mar-22-10 4:21 PM (EST)
Nothing works really well seated in a kayak and through front relief zipper. Basic problem is that the funnel is lower than the zipper and so what happens when you are done and want to get the funnel out...

Also, when standing up w/o a drysuit on, no matter if the funnel overflows or the tube doesn't drain fast enough, worst case is that it drips on the ground... BUT if in your drysuit, makes for soggy long underwear.

Other option is to hold the funnel inside the suit, with the tube draining into a bottle. When done, remove the whole thing through the relief zipper... Hard to do but possible. Problem of course is that you can not see what level the bottle is filling to and also if you make a mistake taking the bottle out, it again leads to soggy long underwear.

One complication is that it is psychologically hard to pee seated with all your clothes on. Body doesn't really want to "let go". (Not everyone has this issue.)

My personal preference during the "season" is to use a drysuit with a drop seat and just squat. I can usually be done quicker than most men take to get out of their boats and open their relief zipper.

Suz
 
 
  Maybe NASA
  Posted by: old_user on Mar-22-10 8:01 PM (EST)
has a solution. Might be expensive though.
 
 
  psst - a secret
  Posted by: slushpaddler on Mar-22-10 8:37 PM (EST)
(ladies: there really is no clean way for a man to pee while sitting in a kayak, either)

:)
 
 
  Really?
  Posted by: suzanneh on Mar-22-10 8:58 PM (EST)
Not that is a dirty little secret...
 
 
  well you know men...
  Posted by: slushpaddler on Mar-22-10 9:20 PM (EST)
..."dirty" is a relative term.
 
 
  this has been most informative
  Posted by: beckt on Mar-22-10 10:12 PM (EST)
I am going to eeek one more season out of my old drysuit - which has no zipper to pee... I have evolved the mantra - if ya gotta pee ya gotta pee and I have been able to do so in some of the most unlikely circumstances. The only thing that worries me is not the convenience of peeing- but having to possibly take layers off in bad weather (rain) and getting my underlayers wet, and thus getting chilled. I don't think I like the idea of the full butt zipper. But, will keep an open mind as I make my decision on where to have a zipper.
 
 
  that's the real issue
  Posted by: suzanneh on Mar-23-10 8:03 AM (EST)
"The only thing that worries me is not the convenience of peeing- but having to possibly take layers off in bad weather (rain) and getting my underlayers wet, and thus getting chilled."

The above is the real issue - not the time it takes to do it although SOMETIMES if it takes too long, I no longer would need to stop:) Really though, there are times and places where taking off your pfd, opening the drysuit and pulling it down enough to squat or use some sort of FUD (female urinary device), you have compromised your ability to stay warm and dry.

 
 
  Pulling the suit down?
  Posted by: Celia on Mar-23-10 9:26 AM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Mar-23-10 9:42 AM EST --

Do you mean that, if the suit does not have a drop seat, then then the suit has to be opened up for other functions than those suited to a FUD? I can't imagine why anyone would fully open up a suit to use a FUD with a p-zip. At least, I never have.

I also can't see how you'd use a FUD unless there was a p-zip. I know there are legends that it is possible in some manufacturer's suits to dispense with the p-zip because the main zipper runs lower, but I've never personally met anyone who could do that. I've met a few who have tried.

At the point we are talking that level of exposure, the only solution for both genders is a suit with both drop seat and p-zip, as some people have used for major expeditions. But if it is of help, I usually have a huge cag over the top of me when I open up the top of my dry suit. I often do that to vent sweat at lunch break. So I am still pretty protected, even with the suit open.

 
 
  my response was to beckt
  Posted by: suzanneh on Mar-23-10 1:19 PM (EST)
Celia -my response was to beckt who is eeking out the year in an old suit without any relief zipper.

Of course no one needs to remove the suit when they have access to a relief zipper. I was agreeing that the removal of a suit to pee is and then getting cold is more the issue than the time or inconvenience.

Suz
 
 
  Same here, and don't forget the skirt
  Posted by: pikabike on Mar-23-10 10:47 AM (EST)
I have no pee zip on my drysuit. This means I have to remove the PFD and sprayskirt, open the main zipper, plus extract myself from neck gasket and one wrist gasket.

My poncho over all would take care of the exposure problem, but doing the above under it is a fussier affair than I care to undertake.

It's a good thing that wetsuits are an option for many places here, at least in summer. Then again, the long ones are a PITA to peel off for peeing. I haven't been able to bring myself to just pee in the suit.
 
 
  So no drop seat either then?
  Posted by: Celia on Mar-23-10 10:56 AM (EST)
-- Last Updated: Mar-23-10 11:04 AM EST --

Sorry ladies, but I am still confused. My own experience is that a drop seat handles both usual functions for women without taking down the suit, a FUD and only having to open the p-zip handles one function (also keeps you from getting wet or chilled), and neither a drop seat nor a p-zip means dropping the suit for both functions.

For guys, the preferred way to handle full service would be having both a p-zip and a drop seat.

Is that what everyone is saying?

I am mostly hitting on this one for those who may be new to dry suits. If I was one of those folks reading the last few posts, I'd be fairly confused about what was possible with what type of opening.

 
 
  Right
  Posted by: pikabike on Mar-23-10 11:05 AM (EST)
No zipper other than the main suit zipper. Too bad we can't pee through a finger!
 
 
  ha ha ha ... i agree! no more problems!
  Posted by: thirstyturtle on Mar-23-10 1:32 PM (EST)
 
 
  Freshette and sitting
  Posted by: Celia on Mar-28-10 1:08 PM (EST)
OK - I have an answer to this one from a paddle yesterday. Replace boat with car, but I was careful to really note how things matched up with possible positions in a kayak.
(1) Freshette is likely a Not Plausible while fully sitting in a kayak, in a dry suit. (terminology stolen from Myth Busters)
(2) It DOES work sitting if you can introduce a relatively small amount of angle and gravity. Like by sitting up a bit on the rear deck of the boat. Comfort at doing this may need to be acquired, but it is a useful skill to be able to climb around on your boat.

Obviously this is not an option for challenged conditions, but then again neither is pulling your skirt to start with. If you need stabilization, and have a paddling partner with whom you are fairly comfortable, you could even ask then to hold your boat facing away from the cockpit for modesty.
 
 
  .
  Posted by: mjflores on Mar-28-10 2:14 PM (EST)
30 replies on this one...really? How about just dont suck down 3 mocha lattes before going kayaking? Why do chicks always have to go to the bathroom? I'm pretty sure women and men have the same size bladders, guys aren't always sitting cross-legged and asking for you to find a place so they can pee. Cmon. Just paddle over to shore and find a bush to go behind. Special cloths, with special zippers, urine containers, self composting female urine fresh wipes. Just take a leak before you go, go easy on the green tea with rose hips while you're paddling around out there, and if ya have to go you're never too far from a shore with bushes, woods, etc.
 
 
  Better idea
  Posted by: Celia on Mar-28-10 10:30 PM (EST)
You cool it on the stereotypes.
There are paddling situations where a bush isn't near by.
 
 
  Men have larger bladders than women do
  Posted by: pikabike on Mar-28-10 10:37 PM (EST)
Get educated.
 
 
  Mjflores , dude, you just brought some
  Posted by: Angell on Mar-29-10 12:40 AM (EST)
major karma down on yourself! Obviously, you are not yet into your fifties or sixties . . . but when you get there, you will have a compassionate understanding of this discussion.

Your day is c o m i n g . . .
 
 
  .
  Posted by: mjflores on Mar-29-10 6:15 AM (EST)
Uhoh...... :(
 
 
  A viable option for long paddles
  Posted by: cD1 on Mar-28-10 8:19 PM (EST)
http://tinyurl.com/yktw9ck

Just toss the end over the gunwale every couple of hours, or can leave over gunwale for a constant trickle method.

Might want a dose or two of Bactrim before the paddle trip to wipe out those little creepers that might use the catheter as a slippin' slide and get up in your undercarriage, if you know what I mean.

 
 
  This may be the place to confess this...
  Posted by: yooperchic on Mar-29-10 5:44 PM (EST)
While paddling on Florida Bay out of Flamingo in the Everglades, I got stuck having to pee during low tide, way out from shore. Too muddy a bottom to get out, though the water was shallow. I managed to brace myself with my paddle off the bottom, and after a thorough look-around for nearby boats, stick my hinders over the cockpit edge and take care of business. I was very proud of myself.
I've also done this out of a tandem canoe (also in the Everglades, come to think of it) with the other paddler providing the counterweight.
 

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