I'm wondering if my spray skirt leaks too much. I have the correct size neoprene Immersion Research skirt for an Explorer, can't remember the model skirt, had it for a little over a year.(It looks most like this model) http://www.immersionresearch.com/products/sprayskirts/shockwave/
There are no rips or holes that I can find and I always check to make sure the rand? is seated properly under the coaming. I clean it i fresh water after every trip and drip dry indoors.
I did a few sculling braces with almost half the skirt submerged but I can't see how that much water entered, even through the top of the tunnel, snug fit and just not that much time. The water seems to soak into the top of the skirt but I am not expecting beading.
It could be the drips from my GP but still not that much water in five hours. The water pools between my back and the coaming and where I feel I am taking on water.
After 5 hours I am sitting in gallons of water, no hole in the boat.
Is this common? Par for the course? Are there better skirts?
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Plastic or composite? If plastic,|
Posted by: ezwater on Nov-23-09 2:47 PM (EST)
does the rand feel loose about a third back from the front of the cockpit? I had skirts that would leak there for two reasons. First, sometimes water would ram against the rand so hard that some would be pushed under and into the cockpit. Second, my kayaks did not have drain channels for the depression around the cockpit rim, and when the boat was chilled by waves or by a change from sun to shade, water could be siphoned under the rand by reduced pressure inside the hull.
Shouldn't be that much water inside|
Posted by: pikabike on Nov-23-09 2:50 PM (EST)
I have the LV Explorer and use a SnapDragon skirt sized for the LV coamings. After doing a lot of rolling and sculling, some water does get inside (mostly through the Velcro/neoprene/nylon tunnel opening, I think). But it's nowhere near the quantity you are talking about.
Posted by: belles on Nov-23-09 3:06 PM (EST)
composite NDK Explorer. If I have the wrong skirt that would explain a lot. It is a long keyhole cockpit but the fit seems snug and I make sure it's not doubled over or misaligned most of the time. i did look at an IR skirt with a large white bungee and was told it was more for white water. I did a dry fit out in the parking lot and it would have been a bear to pull off. The salesperson advised the skirt I have because the one with the bungee would cut easier on the sharper composite coaming.
OK, good, composite boat, bungee|
Posted by: ezwater on Nov-23-09 3:33 PM (EST)
skirt. I should have looked closer at what you linked. Is there a chance that your composite RIM is so deep that the bungee is not seating properly? You could put the skirt on the rim without you in the boat, so that you can peer and feel under the rim.
Posted by: belles on Nov-23-09 3:54 PM (EST)
have a small hole just below the deck to relieve pressure, not coming from there and there was no water in my compartments, just the cockpit.
Posted by: seakayaking on Nov-23-09 4:39 PM (EST)
spray deck instead , and by the way ask any diver neoprene isn't waterproof
It's close enough to waterproof that|
Posted by: ezwater on Nov-23-09 4:58 PM (EST)
a properly fitting skirt, used by a paddler with a drytop and tight skirt mating, will have no discernible water infiltration. In summer, with no rolling but plenty of sloshing, I have no wetness on the underside of the skirt. In winter there's just a little condensation.
Your results not "par for the course"|
Posted by: Seadddict on Nov-23-09 6:32 PM (EST)
If the skirt isn't compromised, sounds like you have a fit issue. For a point of comparison for you, during a session of surfing or rolling practice in my composite Avocet I may sponge out a couple cups of water twice in an afternoon - nowhere near the "sitting in gallons" you describe. I use a Seals Pro Shocker skirt. Christmas is coming.....
Seakayaking - neoprene is waterproof|
Posted by: FrankNC on Nov-26-09 2:35 PM (EST)
I have neoprene waders, they are completely dry inside. I guess some wetsuits do no have sealed seams and all of them let in water trought the arms legs and neck holes, but the material is water proof as can be.
Posted by: old_user on Nov-24-09 6:23 AM (EST)
Depends entirely on what you're wearing with the skirt, if you have a double tunnel drytop or drysuit it should stay relatively dry. If you wear much of anything else it'll leak. Carry a pump and pump it out once in awile.
Posted by: wayne_smith on Nov-24-09 6:35 AM (EST)
Check where your coaming rim is glassed to the deck on the inside of the cockpit to see if there are any holes in the layup where water could come in -- this is an NDK we're talking about. Their QC isn't the best.
Possible sources of leak|
Posted by: Celia on Nov-24-09 8:53 AM (EST)
Sag behind the back is culprit|
Posted by: booztalkin on Nov-24-09 8:54 AM (EST)
I have the same issue if I use a neoprene (Harmony) skirt that has a sag behind me. The constant drip from GL paddle onto the skirt causes water to pond behind me, and it eventually works its way onto the seat.
skirts and coamings|
Posted by: old_user on Nov-24-09 12:40 PM (EST)
I have always enjoyed large amounts of water in the cockpit of my Explorer if rolling or playing in waves. So much that periodic pumping is required just to keep the sloshing from screwing with balance. Even with casual flatwater paddling I will have 1/2-inch of water sloshing in the cockpit after an hour or so just from GP drippage.
ThomasD, I think you're right. Design of|
Posted by: ezwater on Nov-24-09 2:26 PM (EST)
a long cockpit rim so that the skirt will keep the water out is difficult. The designer has to keep enough arc in the quasi-straight sections so the skirt has purchase. But a rim that is more nearly round, tilted markedly for entry and exit, is much easier to "skirt."
Round sounds interesting|
Posted by: belles on Nov-24-09 5:31 PM (EST)
I was looking at Bill's Black Pearl sitting next to my Explorer thinking the very same thing. How to have an ocean cockpit where there was once a keyhole. I'm thinking I would have to cut down a rebuild a portion of the deck for it to look ok.
How is the seat installed?|
Posted by: Celia on Nov-24-09 5:39 PM (EST)
I am wondering if you could glass it in to hang from the coaming... maybe get some clearance for foam.
Hard to tell until|
Posted by: belles on Nov-24-09 7:08 PM (EST)
I cut it out. It looks like it has been repaired before. There is a lot of goop under the deck at the top of the side seat support. Same thing happened on my Ellesmere, easy fix. Next topic might be what seat replacement is recommended. I have the wedge instead of a back band because I was getting pinched and I can paddle all day with the existing hard seat, maybe just re glassing under the seat is the best solution.
I have the same problem|
Posted by: old_user on Nov-25-09 9:13 AM (EST)
with my Explorer and my Romany. I have 5 different skirts all with neoprene decks and a couple with the nylon tunnel. I even had a custom skirt made with less distance between the rear of the tunnel and the rear coaming. NO HELP, it still leaks. The Manf. claims that neoprene don't leak but that is not true it does. The problem comes from paddling with the GP, water travels down te blade and drips off of my thumbs and pools around the tunnel deck seam and soon I am sitting in water after a couple of hours there will be a quart or so in the boat. This happens with all of my sprayskirts and all of my kayaks. The only kayak I own that doesn't have this problem is a NDK Greenlander with an ocean cockpit, the drips end up on the foredeck and not on the sprayskirt.
Posted by: booztalkin on Nov-26-09 1:39 PM (EST)