So, I'm reading bowler1's post on canoes and speed and he's paddling 4.5 mph all day! Now, if he says that's the speed he can manage in his canoe I believe him. But it leaves me feeling like a big Salley! Granted, I'm not generally out to eat up miles but paddle for pleasure and I usually manage maybe 3.5mph with a stroke I could sustain for...a good while. I know I can sprint up to about 8mph. My numbers are by gps.
Anyway, it got me wondering how fast y'all cruise. Y'know, just a steady pace. What kind of speed do you get? And while we're at it, what kind of boat, paddle and stroke.
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Posted by: jcamry98 on Mar-14-09 5:01 PM (EST)
5.3 to 5.4 mph but most of it is because of the boat. I paddle a KajakSport Artisan Millenium. It is a nice 18'3" foot length greenland style boat. With my 16' Perception Captiva I was a FULL 1 mph less with the same effort.
Posted by: jcbikeski on Mar-14-09 6:30 PM (EST)
I basically started kayaking (mostly ocean) about a year ago and could only do about a bit over 3.5mph or so. I got out quite a bit (twice a week or more for months) and now I can do 10+ miles at about 4.5mph. A lot of that was improved form and some from improved strength. Not sure about full out sprinting.
lily dip at|
Posted by: baldpaddler on Mar-14-09 6:37 PM (EST)
3.5, Cruise solo at 4.5 to 4.9 Sprint at 5.4+ for short spells. In a tandem it depends on the canoe and partner. I have cruised at 7 mph for hour on flat water in a Cruiser, 6mph in a stock boat( Interesting time that. Randy and Iused a Metronome after the first 4 miles so we kept our cadence and speed up
Posted by: smithfield_paddler on Mar-14-09 6:51 PM (EST)
I like that.
Our group usually cruises at 3.5-4 mph.|
Posted by: string on Mar-14-09 10:40 PM (EST)
I have pushed my boat up to 6.0 ,but can't sustain it.
4.5 alone, 3.5 w group|
Posted by: cd1 on Mar-14-09 10:46 PM (EST)
Check Freya's blog ;)|
Posted by: kocho on Mar-14-09 11:12 PM (EST)
does Freya really paddle topless?nm|
Posted by: jonsprag1 on Apr-27-09 9:34 PM (EST)
I'm guessing about|
Posted by: jimyaker on Mar-15-09 12:41 AM (EST)
3 mph on my Torrent, but that's with a 2 or 3 mph current. On flatwater, especially when I get left behind, I can cruise much slower.
Posted by: old_user on Mar-15-09 1:38 AM (EST)
I don't like to get my heart up to Kocho's 150 beats per second....I would die. Just too old to handle 9000 beats per minute I guess.....lol. In all seriousness though, I will usually run at 3 mph upriver on the Red, and around 5 downriver. I have run up to 7 mph for shorter distances, but prefer to keep a slower pace I can maintain
Posted by: kocho on Mar-15-09 10:15 AM (EST)
Corrected the bps to bpm ;)
Posted by: Makinwaves on Mar-15-09 9:07 PM (EST)
"3 mph on my Torrent, but that's with a 2 or 3 mph current. "
Posted by: jimyaker on Mar-15-09 9:40 PM (EST)
Depends on which boat|
Posted by: wayne_smith on Mar-15-09 8:48 AM (EST)
If I take my CD Caribou, I cruise around 4.3 mph solo. With my BBK Recluse, just over 4.5, and with my Anas Acuta, right around 4.1 if the GPS is to be believed.
Posted by: smithfield_paddler on Mar-15-09 9:13 AM (EST)
Yesterday 6.3 mph|
Posted by: guiffb on Mar-15-09 9:45 AM (EST)
Paddling steady but easy. We had a heckuva push from the tide. When I tried to slow down by paddling really easy, I was still doing 5.3.
Posted by: billinpa on Mar-15-09 9:57 AM (EST)
in a Placid RapidFire, 4-5.5 depending who I am paddling with. Have had my RapidFire to 6.3,but only short distances,and never all day long. YS solo usually 3.5-5 max. It's more of a river poke boat.
After the last trip a sea kayaker|
Posted by: string on Mar-15-09 11:58 AM (EST)
commented "that boat is pretty fast, isn't it". The RF.
3.5 - 5 is flyin|
Posted by: old_user on Apr-08-09 9:01 PM (EST)
In a YS!
I don't have a GPS but by distance|
Posted by: bruce on Mar-15-09 10:07 PM (EST)
covered, I'd say 4-4.5 MPH.
Posted by: old_user on Mar-15-09 10:50 PM (EST)
my distance of a trip on google earth- 6 miles. I did it in just over 2 hrs with a break in the middle. Not counting the break, it was 2 hours or maybe slighty less. And 6/2=3 miles in one hour- 3mph with my dad.
Posted by: Andy_Szymczak on Mar-15-09 11:07 PM (EST)
The poor guy. Has he thought about any "final arrangements" yet?
Maybe Dad is slowing down for you?|
Posted by: guiffb on Mar-16-09 8:30 AM (EST)
Have you asked him? You are probably both slowing down for each other!
He says its not his passion-|
Posted by: old_user on Mar-20-09 12:05 AM (EST)
so hes not so into going fast like me or mastering perfect technique. Its just a nice casual passtime for him, and that is what I treat it as when paddling with him too.
Posted by: sapien on Mar-20-09 2:01 PM (EST)
I occasionally paddle with teenagers and while they are all fairly athletic, they sometimes have a hard time keeping up with those who are "almost 50 and getting old." Endurance and keeping a steady pace over longer distances is about technique, efficiency, experience; all which they are still developing. Look up Cliff Young, ultramarathon runner.
Posted by: ctyaker on Mar-16-09 8:47 AM (EST)
"Hope I ddddie before I get old..."
50 is getting old. i like that|
Posted by: old_user on Apr-07-09 5:03 PM (EST)
i am trying to forget my 50th bday party. i'm having a much better time now, 12 years later, thank you.
Posted by: old_user on Mar-16-09 11:14 AM (EST)
My gps is set to deactivate when below 1 mph, so it doesn't calculate rest stops.
according to my GPS|
Posted by: rikjohnson on Mar-19-09 4:40 PM (EST)
A casual stroke tyhat I can keep upforever...
How fast do I cruise?|
Posted by: salty on Mar-20-09 12:32 AM (EST)
So far a lot faster than any geeks who obsess about cruising speed or hull design / speed! That is a fact... So much so that I will no longer paddle with anybody who brings this subject up because I know they will NOT keep up.
I Don't Rightly Know|
Posted by: belles on Mar-20-09 12:55 AM (EST)
Don't have a GPS or a speedometer on my kayak. I usta stay out in front of the pack but found I could do loops or work on skills and stick with the herd. Besides, my girlfriend paddles like she is in molasses and if I leave her behind, no fun stuff for me later.
not too fast lately|
Posted by: scottb on Mar-20-09 6:31 AM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Mar-20-09 7:11 AM (EST)
Average Cruising speed (flatwater, no current, no waves)
WilliamRS that is interesting, I am|
Posted by: moparharn on Mar-20-09 7:57 AM (EST)
looking at the purchase of a QCC700. Last weekend I averaged 4.8 mph in my Nordkapp over a measured mile in no wind/current/waves anything. I consider this an athletic pace that I could do for 2-5 miles. The Kapp cruises with half strokes at ease in the 4.2 mph range in the same conditions. I am looking for a fast gear hauler with decent sea manners and have looked at the Viviane and the QCC700 as possible options. My speeds are with a homemade GP. How much faster is the QCC700 than other boats you have owned? How much faster is the wing paddle than other paddles you have owned? Thanks for any help/enlightenment. Bill
GP vs. wing|
Posted by: kocho on Mar-20-09 1:16 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Mar-20-09 4:44 PM (EST)
Thanks, I appreciate your response.|
Posted by: moparharn on Mar-20-09 5:03 PM (EST)
I guess I should have chosen my words more carefully. By half stroke I mean a lazy effort that does not result in a full forward stroke whereby I stroke in the 3/4 forward to 1/4 rearward area of the normally full forward stroke area. 4/4 being a full reach and 1/4 being the exit point. The Kapp loses little speed in this lazy semi arm paddle 1/2 stroke. Obviously there is a steepening of the resistance curve with me in the Kapp between 4.2 and 4.8 mph. All this is only relative to last Sunday's conditions. Sorry for the lazy 1/2 characterizations of the lazy 1/2 stroke:)
Cruising to me means easy effort|
Posted by: zenrider on Mar-20-09 10:29 AM (EST)
which can be sustained indefinitely. In that case, almost every boat I have, I consistently turn in 3.2 mph at end of day. GPS set to stop logging below 1MPH. Same number no matter if I take the 9 footers, fat and flat, to the 17 footers, sleek and light.
Posted by: old_user on Mar-20-09 4:55 PM (EST)
I'm not a fast cruiser|
Posted by: redmond on Mar-20-09 1:53 PM (EST)
I'm a half-fast cruiser!
Posted by: Chuck_IL on Mar-23-09 7:27 PM (EST)
The last time I checked my speed was Sep 2006 during a solo trip around a lake with no wind or current. I paddled my Nordkapp using a Lendal paddle with Kinetic blades. I paddled 25.3 miles in 6 hours 17 minutes with a 30-minute food break and a few other short breaks while chatting with fishermen along my route. I averaged 4.8 mph the first hour, 4.5 mph the second hour and 3.95 mph the third hour. After my food break, I averaged 4.8 mph (from mile 14.0 - 18.8) and then averaged 4.29 mph from mile 18.8 - 25.3.
Posted by: smithfield_paddler on Mar-24-09 11:20 PM (EST)
for all the good input. Very interesting to see the wide ranges of numbers and how they correlate to boat and skill level.
"Cruise" and "fast" do not belong in the|
Posted by: old_user on Mar-25-09 7:50 AM (EST)
same thought, much less the same sentence.
Posted by: smithfield_paddler on Mar-27-09 11:18 PM (EST)
At what SPEED do you cruise. Hope you can sleep now...sheesh!
70 miles in 9.2 hours|
Posted by: davemcadoo on Mar-25-09 10:15 AM (EST)
www.canoeregatta.org It was sort of a cruise becuase I had no pit crew so I had to take my time but current was fast downstream. Did 20 miles of www.blackburnchallenge.com in 3.3 hours out on the ocean. With eft and turbo wing, I often go 7mph downstream and 5mph up. A little faster with mohican ski.
If you are cruising at 3.5 all day|
Posted by: jackl on Mar-26-09 9:10 AM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Mar-27-09 12:34 PM (EST)
a question was asked and various answers were received...where do you feel "bragging and/or bs" was involved?
Sorry, I was just using the terms losely|
Posted by: jackl on Apr-07-09 6:57 PM (EST)
since I can usually BS or brag with the best of them.
So far - only 1 "good" answer|
Posted by: kocho on Mar-27-09 1:25 PM (EST)
Kocho, are you the Roger Ebert of posts?|
Posted by: moparharn on Mar-27-09 5:34 PM (EST)
My input did not pass muster? I wasn't even "good"? I have my dagger at my belly and will do the honorable thing unless you give me back my dignity. Wait, this won't work, I have a 10" dagger for a 40" belly. Hari Kari is off for today so let me leave you with this story in an attempt to characterize "cruising". Last summer I got a chance to paddle with Greg Stamer on Lake Michigan. We had a few hours to talk about mostly his expeditions when invariably the question of speed came up. "So Greg do you cruise at this speed generally when doing a 50 mile night crossing?". "No" he said. "I guess you might slow it down to conserve energy for an unexpected event" I said. "No" he said. "Well what is your cruising speed?". At this point he studies his stroke and speed in a way that made me certain he was "hitting his grove" and pulled away from me like I was caught in a fishing net. "About this I would guess" he said to a paddler that used to be next to him. He was in an Anas and I was in my Naut LV RM. We were cruising around 3.7 to 4.0 in two footers and 15 knots of wind. I would guess his "cruising" pace was closer to 5.0 to 5.5. If he were in the Greenlander Pro he used for Newfoundland it might have been even more. This experience reminded me of when I would play summer hockey with the CCHA college kids after just finishing our winter league. It is not the same game. The speed at which sports are played professionally is the difference between pro and not pro. So why worry about it. Wanna race? Well, do ya punk?
Convincing arguments -;)|
Posted by: kocho on Mar-27-09 5:50 PM (EST)
You indeed specified the conditions -;) And the dagger argument is very convincing, so I give-up counting...
Posted by: old_user on Mar-27-09 6:46 PM (EST)
Posted by: old_user on Mar-27-09 7:41 PM (EST)
This week is was 6.02 mph.|
Posted by: zenrider on Apr-06-09 12:45 PM (EST)
We cruised to third place in our first ever canoe race. We started out at "cruise" pace. Maintained cruise pace until last mile. We really didn't have any sprint left in us. So we picked it up a notch to "hard cruise" pace. But we averaged 6.02 over the thirteen miles and peak speed was 11.5 mph. I am sure that set a personnal record for us both. We stopped paddling only enough to swig some water and fix a glove that would not go back on. Not bad considering we were running against 45 yr old youths. We got punked in the last two miles. Those little babies should have a class of their own.
Posted by: cliffrnatp on Apr-07-09 4:33 PM (EST)
I am embarassed to say how much time and money I spend on kayaking, but this is my hobby, and I take it pretty serious. I admire people who can paddle leisurely in social groups in affordable/durable plastic hulls. I think they have the right idea, but for some of us, it does become a competition. Not for a chance to build ones ego, but to enjoy challenging oneself, and competing with friends. I cruise at over 7mph, and can sprint up to 10mph. But, I paddle racing boats with a racing paddle, get coaching, and paddle at least six hours weekly at race pace. There is no way I could get anywhere near that speed in a rec boat, or even a regular sea kayak. I was getting slautered in my Tempest 17 at the races. I bought a Thunderbolt and immediately started seeing 6mph. Don't let anyone fool you, a true race boat is much,much faster, though it does take a while to learn to keep it upright. I found I was really slow when I was underwater. I presently have 3 surfskis, 4 ICF K1s, and use a Epic mid-wing paddle.
depends on the wind and the current|
Posted by: jonsprag1 on Apr-07-09 9:15 PM (EST)
1 to 2 mph|
Posted by: FrankNC on Apr-08-09 12:00 AM (EST)
On my normal local river you have to zig zag a lot and go slowly. We paddled farther upriver than ever before because the high rains washed out some log jams and we had high water. We averaged 1.5 mph although many times our speed was 3 mph. And each of us only got minor scrapes from overhead branches, but next time my son wants to bring a saw and a machete.
Posted by: old_user on Apr-12-09 9:26 PM (EST)
I have a few options to weigh before I equate my cruising speed. 1st off,how many beers did I stuff into the cooler? 2nd,am I applying sunscreen as I'm drifting,or while I'm plying the shores,looking at the local hotties.3rd,am I paddling one handed as I use my remote control to change the tune on my IPOD Boombox strapped to the bow.And the final piece of the puzzle,is the wind blowing me so as I don't have to paddle at all? THAT,is the ideal cruising speed,wind dictated.
necky 13/V10S speeds|
Posted by: Beanboy on Apr-27-09 4:10 PM (EST)
Hmm, I don't pay attention to speed while cruising.