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  Going Armed
  Posted by: dheinbockel on May-09-12 9:54 AM (EST)

Cliff, Great article with good detailed info that I will likely never use. However, I don't believe a bear will cover 100 yards in 3 seconds as stated, unless he is in transport. That is over 68 mph average speed, from a presumed standing start; faster than a cheetah.

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  Posted by: frosty on May-09-12 9:50 PM (EST)
-- Last Updated: May-09-12 9:58 PM EST --

Also I believe that semi-autos are illegal in Canada. Rifles and shotguns too probably.

Shotgun shells should also be water proofed.

A stainless steel gun would not be a bad choice. But even they can rust. And some stainless steel guns have some internal parts that are not stainless steel.

  semi-autos are legal in Canada
  Posted by: cliffjacobson on May-09-12 10:03 PM (EST)
Semi autos are not illegal in Canada. Over the years, we've taken a .30-06 Rem. semi-auto rifle and a Benelli 12-gauge shotgun. No problem. Only handguns, or guns with illegal length barrels are an issue.
  semi auto
  Posted by: frosty on May-10-12 11:33 AM (EST)
Thanks Cliff for the info on semi-autos in Canada.

I have heard that my M4/AR15 is not legal in Canada. Maybe it is just an assault type weapon ban I confused with an ban on semi-autos.

I have a AR15 in 458 SOCOM that I could consider taking north if it was legal. With a 16 inch barrel it is not quite 45/70, but can use pointed bullets and can pack down really small.
  More on autos and barrel length
  Posted by: cliffjacobson on May-11-12 4:51 PM (EST)
Guns that "look mean" are not allowed in Canada. Even toy guns and soft air guns that look too much like the real thing. I believe M16 style rifles are legal, but you'd best check before you go. The Canadians are very sensitive about guns that they think might be used for terrorism or crimes. Remember, the customs agent has the final say regardless of what you are told by ranking Canadian authorities. Frankly,I wouldn't take a chance. That 16.5 inch barrel won't cut it. You'll need the minimum 18.5 (I believe) inches. Even then, this better be a factory barrel. If it's been altered they won't admit the gun. I strongly advise you to stick with a standard 12-ga. slug gun or one of the Marlin guide guns.
  To avoid problems
  Posted by: cliffjacobson on May-09-12 10:05 PM (EST)
I might add that if you pack your gun the way I suggest, it will be rust-free and functional if and when you need it.
  Editorial license
  Posted by: cliffjacobson on May-09-12 10:50 PM (EST)
Ya, ya, editorial effect here. Would you buy six seconds? I can say from experience that when one of these big bears gallops towards you, time stands still. You won't have time to count, I guarantee it. Thanks for setting me straight.
  time standing still
  Posted by: walli on May-10-12 8:53 AM (EST)
cliff-great article,but you should have included the "colon control" factor for those that have not been tested! time stands still,body functions go into overdrive.

love the 450 handload, the 45/70 guide is one of my favs. only warning for the non-reloader going into a situation with this caliber would be to purchase ammo loaded for the occasion. Far too many gunshops only carry 45/70 loads at minimal pressure safe for older firearms but not loaded to take advantage of the Marlins strength.
Loads in the 350+ jacketed gn weight category from makers like CorBon,BuffaloBore and Garrett are proven items.

They may cost an extra buck,but it saves time when you get to heaven (at a later date) the second line ( and a long one) to see Saint Peter has the heading "Hey, I saved a Dollar!" and we all knows fellas destined to wait in that line.
  Exactly right!
  Posted by: cliffjacobson on May-11-12 4:56 PM (EST)
You are exactly correct, the reason why I bought a .450 Marlin. I consider the factory 350 grain flatnose load minimal for the big bears. I've been loading 350 grain Swift A-frames to a bit over 2000 fps. Much faster than this and I fear they may not hold together at the very close range (like 50 feet) you'd have to shoot. At this range, a big, slow moving bullet beats high velocity every time. The .45-70 with good loads is fine--there's not a whisker of difference between it and the .450 Marlin. But I prefer the .450 because the case is stronger and not rimmed. In any case, I've never had to shoot a bear, thank goodness. But I have popped some bullets by their ears.
  Bear spray...
  Posted by: wavetamer on Jul-11-12 12:58 PM (EST)
On a related note: Most pilots will warn you about this while loading gear - if you travel with a pepper spray canister, place it in a sealable container (a large-mouth water bottle works well) to avoid an accidental blast inside the cabin (particularly on smaller planes) should the canister be accidentally activated in flight.


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