Canoe Myths - Canoeing / Kayaking

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Canoe Myths - hand2dplow - Mar-17-10 9:46 PM
- Myths - old_user - Mar-17-10 10:58 PM
  - leaning downwind... - old_user - May-12-10 10:53 AM
  - Right on! - cliffjacobson - Apr-06-12 5:04 PM

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  Myths
  Posted by: old_user on Mar-17-10 10:58 PM (EST)

Is this the only way to discuss this article on myths? I can't find any other route. Anyway, I am a myth killer from way back, but one "myth" that I didn't understand concerned the bit about the ranger and the trailing rope. Why is this so much a myth? Of course, if you put a knot in a trailing rope, it can be a disaster. Anyway, that one item was not explained. Now, to question other readers: I always taught my students (eight years of teaching white water) that "speeding up" in white water made sense only when jumping a low water fall to get past the hydraulic. Otherwise, slow down, and perfect your ferry. Other thoughts?

  leaning downwind...
  Posted by: old_user on May-12-10 10:53 AM (EST)

Hey, not sure I follow this correctly. Cliff seems to be saying lean "downwind" which would be to the outside of the turn. We all know what that leads to, would be like leaning to the ouside of an eddy turn... splash!
paul

  Right on!
  Posted by: cliffjacobson on Apr-06-12 5:04 PM (EST)

Yep, you're right on about "speeding up in rapids". But besides jumping a drop, there's another time you want to go fast. That's when canoeing very spiky drops that are laced with rocks that prevent ferrying. We discovered this in Norway last June. The rapids we ran in our solo folding canoes all pretty much rated technical 2+ to 3. There was no space for ferrying.And rocks were everywhere and often so close that it was impossible to pass through without nailing something. Here, the answer was speed enough to dash quickly from one current to another. It was a different style of canoeing, one I wasn't used to--and not at all like the more open rivers in Canada. As to the "trailing rope", even without a knot a rope can catch on something. I thought the idea of it was ludicrous.
Cliff

	Myths Posted by: old_user on Mar-17-10 10:58 PM (EST)
	Is this the only way to discuss this article on myths? I can't find any other route. Anyway, I am a myth killer from way back, but one "myth" that I didn't understand concerned the bit about the ranger and the trailing rope. Why is this so much a myth? Of course, if you put a knot in a trailing rope, it can be a disaster. Anyway, that one item was not explained. Now, to question other readers: I always taught my students (eight years of teaching white water) that "speeding up" in white water made sense only when jumping a low water fall to get past the hydraulic. Otherwise, slow down, and perfect your ferry. Other thoughts?

	leaning downwind... Posted by: old_user on May-12-10 10:53 AM (EST)
	Hey, not sure I follow this correctly. Cliff seems to be saying lean "downwind" which would be to the outside of the turn. We all know what that leads to, would be like leaning to the ouside of an eddy turn... splash! paul

	Right on! Posted by: cliffjacobson on Apr-06-12 5:04 PM (EST)
	Yep, you're right on about "speeding up in rapids". But besides jumping a drop, there's another time you want to go fast. That's when canoeing very spiky drops that are laced with rocks that prevent ferrying. We discovered this in Norway last June. The rapids we ran in our solo folding canoes all pretty much rated technical 2+ to 3. There was no space for ferrying.And rocks were everywhere and often so close that it was impossible to pass through without nailing something. Here, the answer was speed enough to dash quickly from one current to another. It was a different style of canoeing, one I wasn't used to--and not at all like the more open rivers in Canada. As to the "trailing rope", even without a knot a rope can catch on something. I thought the idea of it was ludicrous. Cliff