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Photo
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PJC
- 7:34 AM Apr-09-13
That Woudl Be Our Own
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dougd
- 1:39 PM Apr-07-13
Thanks PJC and Doug
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Wickerbutt
- 12:41 AM Apr-09-13
and...
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canoeswithduckheads
- 7:34 AM Apr-09-13
Anybody paddling today?
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Andy_Szymczak
- 9:07 PM Apr-08-13
Big Wind
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dougd
- 1:13 PM Apr-06-13
ice
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yknpdlr
- 1:57 PM Apr-06-13
We did
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jackl
- 8:21 AM Apr-07-13
Big wind here too, ...
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guideboatguy
- 2:09 PM Apr-06-13
Windy here too
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Andy_Szymczak
- 2:20 PM Apr-06-13
Went out this morning
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davbart
- 4:10 PM Apr-06-13
Got'ta git some woyk done dis weekend
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FatElmo
- 4:29 PM Apr-06-13
At 28 degrees not motivated
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kayamedic
- 5:54 PM Apr-06-13
60+ degrees in Atlanta. Metro Hooch
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g2d
- 7:04 PM Apr-06-13
No paddlin' but
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stevet
- 7:12 PM Apr-06-13
On Jocassee from 11am to 4pm.
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string
- 7:31 PM Apr-06-13
We paddled and picked up trash
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randy_morgart
- 9:08 PM Apr-06-13
Went poling on the Natchaug in Ct.
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Wickerbutt
- 8:45 AM Apr-07-13
Went across SF Bay
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tsunamichuck1
- 10:06 AM Apr-07-13
Nope
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jhb8426
- 10:35 PM Apr-07-13
was out paddling
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thegoose
- 1:52 PM Apr-08-13
Sunday on the Chassahowitzka River
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oldgator
- 9:07 PM Apr-08-13
Some uplifting music.
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string
- 7:14 PM Apr-08-13
What?
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clarion
- 5:12 PM Mar-27-13
And no electric guitar.
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string
- 11:02 PM Mar-27-13
Wonderful!
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Big_Dave
- 8:23 PM Mar-27-13
Amazing!
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RedCrossRandy
- 1:03 PM Mar-28-13
Great stuff!
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Andy_Szymczak
- 1:44 PM Mar-28-13
Bravo!
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FatElmo
- 9:20 PM Mar-28-13
be nice to listen to while driving .....
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pilotwingz
- 9:08 AM Mar-29-13
too magnificent for ordinary road trips
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paddlingpika
- 9:51 PM Mar-29-13
What is the name of that music? I
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shirlann
- 10:45 PM Apr-05-13
shirlann, that's how I remember it but
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string
- 10:43 PM Apr-06-13
The music is Beethoven's...
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scottfree
- 1:01 PM Apr-08-13
Oh yeah...
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scottfree
- 1:24 PM Apr-08-13
Spectacular, just think what we are
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suntan
- 7:14 PM Apr-08-13
Print a boat
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Kayak_Ken
- 4:34 PM Apr-08-13
Some photo's from yesterday
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Andy_Szymczak
- 12:36 PM Apr-08-13
Did they give you a lift?
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leob1
- 9:42 AM Apr-08-13
Water was cold....
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Andy_Szymczak
- 10:04 AM Apr-08-13
Ah Andy, forget the chopper shots.
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shirlann
- 9:46 AM Apr-08-13
looked like a great day
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slushpaddler
- 10:08 AM Apr-08-13
Home Depot parking lot
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Andy_Szymczak
- 10:18 AM Apr-08-13
I was there Friday
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tempest170
- 12:31 PM Apr-08-13
Splitrock's lousy put in
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Andy_Szymczak
- 12:36 PM Apr-08-13
Kayaker saves family
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leob1
- 9:39 AM Apr-08-13
If you go to Myrtle Beach, SC
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string
- 10:26 PM Apr-07-13
thanks for the info
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tdaniel
- 12:14 PM Apr-07-13
Glad to share. The section near North
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string
- 10:26 PM Apr-07-13
Too Windy to Paddle
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dougd
- 2:36 PM Apr-07-13
looks good Doug!
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Andy_Szymczak
- 2:36 PM Apr-07-13
Moreland to set out solo-2500miles-gal.
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paddletothesea
- 11:18 AM Apr-07-13
Identify Craigslist Boat?
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PlacidPaddler
- 10:33 AM Apr-06-13
Interesting
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clarion
- 2:15 PM Apr-03-13
If fiberglass, it may be heavy for
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g2d
- 2:17 PM Apr-03-13
Odd gunwales too
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guideboatguy
- 12:49 PM Apr-04-13
I'd guess homebuilt
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kayamedic
- 12:52 PM Apr-04-13
I was thinking home built also.
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string
- 8:09 PM Apr-04-13
Looks familiar
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davavd
- 1:17 PM Apr-05-13
Seller's Comments
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PlacidPaddler
- 3:52 PM Apr-05-13
sounds like a davavd bullseye to me ....
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pilotwingz
- 10:40 PM Apr-05-13
serial numbers
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davavd
- 9:19 AM Apr-06-13
A Bart Hauthaway?
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CEWilson
- 10:33 AM Apr-06-13
Illinois Stream Access
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markmorrall
- 10:57 PM Apr-05-13
Geez, we already have quite limited
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Yanoer
- 6:00 PM Mar-31-13
What is happening?
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mjamja
- 5:36 PM Apr-01-13
Follow the Link
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gremmie
- 12:47 PM Apr-02-13
who was in the 2005 state legislature?
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slushpaddler
- 3:24 PM Apr-02-13
How sad for your state! Hopefully
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shirlann
- 10:57 PM Apr-05-13
Looks like its gonna be a boring summer
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redmond
- 2:54 PM Apr-05-13
What is the Missouri
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kayamedic
- 11:26 AM Apr-01-13
Hmmmm.
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deuce
- 11:58 AM Apr-01-13
River dorks................
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thebob.com
- 12:17 PM Apr-01-13
that was great, thanks!
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slushpaddler
- 12:14 PM Apr-01-13
and yet some still rant
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kayamedic
- 12:38 PM Apr-01-13
Awww
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vic
- 1:05 PM Apr-01-13
maybe just ban innertubes
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slushpaddler
- 2:04 PM Apr-01-13
A few more laughs...........
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thebob.com
- 2:53 PM Apr-01-13
wow
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slushpaddler
- 6:07 PM Apr-01-13
Of those ideas, only the last one, ...
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guideboatguy
- 3:01 PM Apr-01-13
here's my point
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slushpaddler
- 6:08 PM Apr-01-13
Liveries in many states, including GA,
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g2d
- 5:12 PM Apr-01-13
I wouldn't call a renter of inner tubes
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clarion
- 5:21 PM Apr-01-13
here is a tube livery
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kayamedic
- 5:25 PM Apr-01-13
floatmissouri.com
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thebob.com
- 8:08 PM Apr-01-13
I'm sure one of the dorks has
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kayamedic
- 8:32 PM Apr-01-13
Scatter caltrops in the shallows on the
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g2d
- 12:23 AM Apr-02-13
You guys are killing me.
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deuce
- 9:20 AM Apr-02-13
river dorks
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ppine
- 2:54 PM Apr-05-13
the explorer vs tripper challenge...
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tdaniel
- 1:46 PM Apr-05-13
Sounds like a fun downriver. But
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g2d
- 1:46 PM Apr-05-13
Has anyone ever seen an "Orange Oriole"
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pilotwingz
- 1:22 PM Apr-05-13
My Audubon Reference...
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Kudzu
- 6:30 AM Apr-03-13
Icterus auratus .....
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pilotwingz
- 8:01 AM Apr-03-13
That Explains It
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Kudzu
- 9:05 AM Apr-03-13
not on east coast?
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mintjulep
- 7:50 AM Apr-03-13
Tanager - Orioles
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waterspyder
- 7:53 AM Apr-03-13
Check out hooded oriole
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gnatcatcher
- 8:17 AM Apr-03-13
I have considered a Hooded Oriole .....
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pilotwingz
- 9:07 AM Apr-03-13
well , thanks all .....
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pilotwingz
- 9:18 AM Apr-03-13
Aren't orioles orange?
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Andy_Szymczak
- 9:29 AM Apr-03-13
some have orange , very orange .....
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pilotwingz
- 11:19 AM Apr-03-13
About once a year around here.
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tktoo
- 9:43 AM Apr-03-13
but the question is ........
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pilotwingz
- 11:21 AM Apr-03-13
Color came from a bottle
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Celia
- 1:25 PM Apr-04-13
hope ya mean like L'Oreal or Revlon ....
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pilotwingz
- 11:02 PM Apr-04-13
Yup, as in a dye job
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Celia
- 12:03 AM Apr-05-13
Why, It's To Dye For!
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canoeswithduckheads
- 10:36 AM Apr-05-13
as my grampa used to say,
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slushpaddler
- 1:22 PM Apr-05-13
How many paddlers carry a piece of
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shirlann
- 9:36 AM Apr-05-13
My wife and I....
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Jackl
- 7:14 PM Apr-02-13
I do
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shiraz627
- 7:48 PM Apr-02-13
I do carry same
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kayamedic
- 8:19 PM Apr-02-13
I used to leave it
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tjalmy
- 9:28 PM Apr-02-13
Always have my wallet on my person.
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Yanoer
- 10:04 PM Apr-02-13
in a dry box I suspect
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kayamedic
- 10:29 PM Apr-02-13
Wallet, keys, phone in dry bag.
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string
- 11:48 PM Apr-02-13
Small dry bag. No electronic keys -
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Yanoer
- 12:23 AM Apr-03-13
Bad WW I joke. A soldier is expiring
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g2d
- 12:28 AM Apr-03-13
"I thought you said
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deuce
- 8:57 AM Apr-03-13
The rest of the story
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vic
- 2:30 PM Apr-03-13
Thanks Vic.
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deuce
- 9:08 AM Apr-04-13
KEYS, WALLET, CELLPHONE
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scupperfrank
- 9:05 AM Apr-03-13
I use my RoadID
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leob1
- 9:27 AM Apr-03-13
Never in the car
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booztalkin
- 11:08 AM Apr-03-13
Dry belt pack
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taj
- 11:15 AM Apr-03-13
Thanks for all the great answers!
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shirlann
- 11:35 AM Apr-03-13
here ya go
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leob1
- 2:30 PM Apr-03-13
Wallet & keys
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Seadddict
- 11:38 AM Apr-03-13
Good idea
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ShadyClip
- 2:52 PM Apr-03-13
Or biking or hiking....
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Celia
- 5:26 PM Apr-03-13
always
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slushpaddler
- 5:46 PM Apr-03-13
IDs
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Dgremlin
- 2:59 AM Apr-04-13
I never carry ID and rarely carry my
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tdaniel
- 12:41 PM Apr-04-13
good idea, thanks
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slushpaddler
- 1:53 PM Apr-04-13
I wear
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kayakboy
- 1:22 PM Apr-04-13
Road ID
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emanoh
- 4:55 PM Apr-04-13
Wallet is always with me...
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Al_A
- 10:34 PM Apr-04-13
I carry a laminated
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kayakrazee
- 7:50 AM Apr-05-13
Just be aware that in some areas
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kayamedic
- 9:29 AM Apr-05-13
ha! I found that out awhile ago
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slushpaddler
- 9:36 AM Apr-05-13
DIY help, please
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bartc
- 11:22 PM Apr-04-13
in the kitchen
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mintjulep
- 11:07 AM Mar-31-13
Interesting idea
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bartc
- 6:52 PM Mar-31-13
Pulley?
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markmorrall
- 7:06 PM Mar-31-13
Minute max.
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bartc
- 8:43 PM Apr-01-13
Try here...
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fatelmo
- 7:24 PM Mar-31-13
Elmo, that's my post....
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bartc
- 8:45 PM Apr-01-13
some ideas but not waterproof
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woodonwater
- 3:39 AM Apr-02-13
Hey, maybe you found it!
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bartc
- 8:32 AM Apr-02-13
OK, all, I think I've found the answer.
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bartc
- 4:45 PM Apr-02-13
how about these
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mintjulep
- 4:53 PM Apr-02-13
That's because
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bartc
- 8:23 PM Apr-02-13
if the rpm's on the turning device .....
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pilotwingz
- 11:22 PM Apr-04-13
Yippie, my hometown made the top 10
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pblanc
- 9:00 PM Apr-04-13
Misery ................
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thebob.com
- 1:31 PM Apr-02-13
Why?
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kayamedic
- 2:52 PM Apr-02-13
Bakersfield again?
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slushpaddler
- 3:21 PM Apr-02-13
Ever Been To Stockton, CA?
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Barracuda
- 8:57 PM Apr-02-13
Obviously they couldn't
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tjalmy
- 9:23 PM Apr-02-13
nor Syracuse
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kayamedic
- 10:32 PM Apr-02-13
Evansville?
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Kudzu
- 7:05 AM Apr-04-13
Yipee I won!
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tdaniel
- 3:21 PM Apr-04-13
actually whoever
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yakjak
- 4:56 PM Apr-04-13
Spartanburg has improved a lot in the
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string
- 5:24 PM Apr-04-13
It's a Terrible City!
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canoeswithduckheads
- 9:00 PM Apr-04-13
Lobster Lake Maine
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gp60
- 2:07 PM Apr-04-13
Which end of May?
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acre
- 12:03 PM Mar-15-13
bring the old woodsman
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tdaniel
- 8:35 PM Mar-15-13
Best to wait till ice out
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kayamedic
- 8:55 PM Mar-15-13
That last week+ in May has often been
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bigspencer
- 1:35 PM Mar-20-13
fees ?
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spidersplash
- 8:42 AM Mar-26-13
Yes there is a modest camping fee
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kayamedic
- 6:49 PM Mar-26-13
Hope you could follow my email....
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bigspencer
- 2:11 PM Apr-02-13
would be interested in the road from the
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kayamedic
- 2:52 PM Apr-02-13
Realizing that the 20Mile NMW gate
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bigspencer
- 5:00 PM Apr-03-13
It was Sebomook Road
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kayamedic
- 6:17 PM Apr-03-13
so if your going to Pittston F, South
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tdaniel
- 12:59 PM Apr-04-13
from what I read there is an electronic
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kayamedic
- 1:18 PM Apr-04-13
yep, I remember it was private,
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tdaniel
- 2:07 PM Apr-04-13
Verlen Kruger Paddle
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rpm1955
- 11:21 AM Apr-04-13
replied in other post
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paddletothesea
- 11:21 AM Apr-04-13
Valley Gemini SP/P&H Aries comparison
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CapeFear
- 10:13 AM Apr-04-13
I hope JimZ will respond, meanwhile...
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Kocho
- 6:39 PM Apr-03-13
Have you tried a surf boat?
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johnysmoke
- 10:13 AM Apr-04-13
One Women-2500 Miles solo blog
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paddletothesea
- 4:12 PM Apr-03-13
Does this mean I am getting old?
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rnaimo
- 2:55 PM Apr-03-13
I haven't met a paddler that was
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kayamedic
- 7:06 PM Mar-28-13
When you get the PFD. with....
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jackl
- 7:11 PM Mar-28-13
old
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poleplant
- 8:48 AM Mar-30-13
old no..
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krash
- 8:54 AM Mar-30-13
Yes
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Rnaimo
- 9:48 AM Mar-30-13
Me too.
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magooch
- 10:25 AM Mar-30-13
aging
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ppine
- 11:36 AM Mar-30-13
aging
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ppine
- 11:36 AM Mar-30-13
But paddling won't help much with
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tktoo
- 2:03 PM Mar-30-13
hee hee
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pikabike
- 1:04 PM Apr-01-13
Bucks County PA ever get up to Wayne Co?
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suntan
- 5:01 PM Mar-30-13
Information pocket
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ShadyClip
- 1:57 AM Mar-31-13
Bucks county
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Rnaimo
- 10:02 AM Mar-31-13
New fro' Fat Elmo Enterprises
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fatelmo
- 3:22 PM Apr-01-13
What's "Viagra" ??
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Jackl
- 7:19 PM Apr-02-13
Fishnets
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ShadyClip
- 2:55 PM Apr-03-13
no!
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slushpaddler
- 6:25 PM Apr-01-13
Hey F.E.
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rnaimo
- 5:39 PM Apr-02-13
Wellington completes 256-day solo.
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paddletothesea
- 11:33 AM Apr-03-13
Rock Garden Rescue & Communication
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neptunebill
- 9:13 AM Apr-03-13
Thanks for posting.
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CapeFear
- 7:57 PM Mar-31-13
Swim in or out
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neptunebill
- 8:52 AM Apr-01-13
I am the swimmer
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Peter-CA
- 3:25 PM Apr-01-13
All's well that ends well.
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CapeFear
- 1:55 PM Apr-02-13
Where were your radios???
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BNystrom
- 7:18 AM Apr-01-13
Radio
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neptunebill
- 9:13 AM Apr-01-13
Turn them on and leave them on
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paddlemore
- 9:21 AM Apr-01-13
I wonder why it's took so long
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slushpaddler
- 12:16 PM Apr-01-13
Radio Harness
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neptunebill
- 12:24 PM Apr-01-13
It looks like webshots has changed
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paddlemore
- 6:52 PM Apr-01-13
You don't want it to become a weapon
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seadart
- 7:22 PM Apr-01-13
Its never been a problem for me
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paddlemore
- 11:04 AM Apr-02-13
Function of Wave Size
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seadart
- 12:08 PM Apr-02-13
I realize it is about wave size & fetch
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paddlemore
- 9:42 PM Apr-02-13
I agree
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BNystrom
- 6:20 AM Apr-03-13
The tutorial is on my website now
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BNystrom
- 6:15 AM Apr-03-13
danke
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slushpaddler
- 9:13 AM Apr-03-13
Release of the towed boat
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Celia
- 9:40 AM Apr-01-13
carbineer
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neptunebill
- 12:29 PM Apr-01-13
Glad It Turned Out OK!
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Barracuda
- 3:40 PM Apr-01-13
help exiting kayak
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jjob2000
- 7:24 AM Apr-03-13
Could you be specific?
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Canuka
- 9:30 AM Mar-26-13
exiting kayak
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jjob2000
- 9:44 AM Mar-26-13
this may or may not help
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slushpaddler
- 9:41 AM Mar-26-13
wet exit
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jjob2000
- 9:47 AM Mar-26-13
back deck
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suiram
- 9:49 AM Mar-26-13
good idea
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jjob2000
- 9:57 AM Mar-26-13
exiting kayak
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jjob2000
- 10:14 AM Mar-26-13
For what it is worth:
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jackl
- 10:18 AM Mar-26-13
exiting kayak
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jjob2000
- 11:35 AM Mar-26-13
Second using the back deck
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Celia
- 10:47 AM Mar-26-13
I would try
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Canuka
- 11:49 AM Mar-26-13
I have a tsunami and an iffy knee
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Pirateoverforty
- 9:06 PM Mar-26-13
Paddle Brac e Help?
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VK1NF
- 10:05 PM Mar-26-13
Practice
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magooch
- 10:14 AM Mar-27-13
Just blew mine out!
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NDpaddleman
- 12:16 PM Mar-27-13
exiting kayak
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jjob2000
- 12:36 PM Mar-28-13
this might help ....
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trout
- 6:03 PM Mar-28-13
My friend had a long bow line
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randy_morgart
- 9:12 PM Mar-28-13
Your Friend...
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VK1NF
- 8:27 PM Mar-29-13
Paddler to complete longest Rv. N.Americ
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paddletothesea
- 11:44 AM Apr-02-13
Best all round tripping canoe?
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smitty
- 12:57 AM Apr-01-13
Check your other thread
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pblanc
- 1:20 PM Mar-29-13
Bell Psyilocybin Solo
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slushpaddler
- 1:36 PM Mar-29-13
I was thinking the Delysergic microgram
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daggermat
- 7:20 PM Mar-29-13
Get real.
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g2d
- 12:37 AM Mar-30-13
hey, slushie and I
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daggermat
- 5:44 PM Mar-31-13
no "y" .....
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pilotwingz
- 12:23 AM Apr-01-13
do you mean "get real" as in .....
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pilotwingz
- 12:57 AM Apr-01-13
Valley Hatch covers, sort of poll
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suiram
- 10:46 AM Mar-31-13
ORIGINAL VALLEY HATCHES
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scupperfrank
- 2:04 PM Mar-28-13
my VCP experiences
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andy
- 2:09 PM Mar-28-13
kajaksport hatches
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Andy_Szymczak
- 2:31 PM Mar-28-13
Original VCP's
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Seadddict
- 2:41 PM Mar-28-13
VCP vs. rubber (kajaksport)
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slushpaddler
- 4:14 PM Mar-28-13
My Valley Plastic Aquanaut is
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kanaka
- 4:50 PM Mar-28-13
Mine lasted three years.
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jaws
- 9:44 PM Mar-29-13
Does the Carolina use VCP hatches?
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Bnystrom
- 10:45 AM Mar-31-13
Expansion/Contraction?
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gstamer
- 6:01 AM Mar-30-13
Five minutes with a drill...
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Bnystrom
- 10:46 AM Mar-31-13
Happy Easter, Pilgrims!
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FatElmo
- 10:22 AM Mar-31-13
And same to you FE....
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Andy_Szymczak
- 10:22 AM Mar-31-13
REI and Hennessey
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redmond
- 10:01 PM Mar-30-13
Scout
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string
- 10:01 PM Mar-30-13
One Women, One River, 2500 miles benefit
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paddletothesea
- 5:31 PM Mar-30-13
youtube bio of trip
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paddletothesea
- 7:24 PM Mar-27-13
keep us
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jonsprag1
- 8:53 PM Mar-28-13
keep tabs on her blog
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paddletothesea
- 5:31 PM Mar-30-13
Best of luck to her
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Andy_Szymczak
- 9:00 PM Mar-29-13
...and the fun never stops on CL!
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Canuka
- 8:13 AM Mar-30-13
The GRAY THING
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fatelmo
- 1:36 PM Mar-29-13
Friday
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gnatcatcher
- 4:43 PM Mar-25-13
Canoes?
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placidpaddler
- 8:04 AM Mar-26-13
Barely...
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fatelmo
- 8:22 AM Mar-26-13
Another Gray Area
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canoeswithduckheads
- 1:06 PM Mar-26-13
U've found the infamous...
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cd1
- 10:16 AM Mar-29-13
after all this time
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slushpaddler
- 1:36 PM Mar-29-13
Am I a Heretic?
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dougd
- 7:28 AM Mar-29-13
Doesn't matter since you spend all your
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g2d
- 4:10 PM Mar-28-13
Now That's Not True!
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dougd
- 5:16 PM Mar-28-13
Happened to me, too.
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booztalkin
- 11:28 PM Mar-28-13
River Styx
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suiram
- 4:52 PM Mar-28-13
You simply are bipolar
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kayamedic
- 7:08 PM Mar-28-13
Shame on yer....
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FatElmo
- 8:49 PM Mar-28-13
Well...
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Andy_Szymczak
- 9:47 PM Mar-28-13
I may become primarily a kayaker
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g2d
- 11:43 PM Mar-28-13
Install foot braces in your canoe
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Yanoer
- 12:34 AM Mar-29-13
I'm still looking for a used 140S.
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Yanoer
- 12:29 AM Mar-29-13
Well Doug...
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billinpa
- 7:28 AM Mar-29-13
Yesterdays trip report
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jackl
- 6:06 AM Mar-29-13
I liked it!
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tdaniel
- 11:32 AM Mar-26-13
Unfortunately a GPS alone won't help
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jackl
- 12:34 PM Mar-26-13
i was thinking you were taking points
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tdaniel
- 1:24 PM Mar-26-13
Thanks
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shiraz627
- 9:49 AM Mar-27-13
We used to be able to lead people ...
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jackl
- 6:32 PM Mar-27-13
Sounds fun
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guideboatguy
- 10:21 AM Mar-27-13
We love finding new routes this way
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jackl
- 6:30 PM Mar-27-13
TERRIFIC TR JACK-THANKS!
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scupperfrank
- 9:38 PM Mar-28-13
I use a fold up one
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jackl
- 6:06 AM Mar-29-13
Great report Jack!
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Andy_Szymczak
- 9:54 PM Mar-28-13
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