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The Remix XP9 suits a paddler about 5-6 foot tall (no more) and about 45-100kg weight, the Remix XP9 is about 9.2 foot long and is very comfortable kayak, but the back rest cannot be put up when using a neoprene slash deck. Both the Remix xp 9/10 track well in flats but plows through the water and is quiet hard to keep at speed.
When the Remix XPs get into white water they are deadly, the handling and control is awesome and they are also very easy to roll. The back compartment is large for a kayak and you would be surprised what you would fit in there, but saying that you will pay on the flats due to the extra weight.
The XPs are extremely stable!! and the straps on the front and back are very handy for fishing. This kayak is excellent for a beginners and well experienced kayaker, this boat is also ideal for an instructors as it is very stable and has a medical kit behind the seat and a large cock pit for quick entry and exit. This is an all round superb kayak as its great for touring, fishing, flats (if you take your time) and most importantly whitewater.
These kayaks are expensive but a good investment as the keep there value even with wear and tear, second-hand you could pick them up at about 500 euro with some gear.
As I said this is a great boat for someone who wants to do both whitewater and flat water and can only get one boat. If you are primarily going to use it for flat water and boat with others who have much faster boats than you I'd consider getting something else as this boat is really slow compared to my friends day touring boats, I'm always having to paddle harder to catch up. Also this boat is loud when going top speed on flat water, as it displaces a lot of water, plus the skew makes a slight clacking sound when down. Everyone calls me the tug boat.
You can fit a ton of stuff in this boat, it's great for kayak camping. The most ideal use for this boat is for long river trips, both day trips and camping ones, really anything where you're going on enough of the river to go through both the rapids and the flat stretches in between. It is perfect for this, while I'm always the one catching up to my friends on lakes, when on river trips they're catching up to me as they portage around some of the whitewater their touring boats can't handle and I just pull my skeg up and paddle right through enjoying all the terrain the river has to offer.
Also the seating in liquid logic boats is really comfortable. I'd look for newer model year boats as they have a better console for holding drinks and such than mine does (I think I have a 2010 boat)
Oh and if you are paddling a lot of flatwater get the high back seat accessory, it is way more comfortable when you'll be in your boat for long stretches than the low back.
The Remix is the best River Runner hands down, and it will meet you more than halfway with your skills sets. Am now running Class 3 and 4 Rapids without having a eskimo roll, now that is what I call having a boat is well designed. The only negative is the silly design of the storage compartment.
The fellow who wrote negatives, must be a newbie or has not weathered the likes of Tuckaseegee, Nantahala, and Lower and Upper Green River. We do not sit on a kayak... We wear it
I only have a few complaints: the hatch system sucks it not watertight at all. The first time I practiced rolling I went to shore to have lunch and much to my surprise the back and my lunch were soaked. There was a lot of water in the compartment! Plus if you take the hatch off while on the water, the lid almost always ends up in the water.
I also have a Old Town Dirigo106 the hatch system on that is a 1000 times better the XP9 it has 2 locking lever cams, a rubber gasket to keep it watertight plus has hinges so when you open the hatch it doesn't fall in the water. I've tried to roll my Dirigo many times before I found out it wasn't designed to roll - it has no knee braces to keep you in the kayak. Even with all my failed attempts to roll the Dirigo, I never had water in the back
My other problem was that the plastic rivets that they used to hold down the badass seating where placed too close to the hip pad pockets so that I couldn't get the padding down far enough to make contact with my hips. So I had to pop the rivets out in order to get the padding to fit right plus there was another rivet that dug into my tailbone so i had to pop that one out too
One thing they could add would be a bungee cord paddle holder on the side of the kayak there are after market ones that I can buy but would be nice if they put one on
Even with that experience and fear, I really want to do whitewater. This made my kayak purchasing decision much easier, I chose to get something that could do anything that was out there from flatwater to class IV-V. A crossover kayak fit the bill perfectly, but which one?
I tried them all at Appomattox River Company's demo day in Farmville, VA. (usually in June) I narrowed it down from Piranha, Dagger, Jackson & Liquidlogic to Jackson and Liquidlogic. The Dagger and Piranha were uncomfortable, and really didn't fit me. I think they are made for skinnier people, so they were eliminated after one test-paddle.
I was having a hard time deciding between the Jackson and the Liquidlogic, then the Jackson's skeg broke. That made my choice much easier - I had been leaning toward the XP9 anyway, but Jackson's broken skeg made the choice much easier.
I made the right choice. This boat is helping me overcome my fear. It turns on a dime, and will spin like a top when I want it to, but it is stable and not quite as wobbly as a whitewater boat. When I trust the boat totally, I have a friend who gives private whitewater lessons, and he will work with me.
Another thing about the XP9, it comes in all different colors. I have a pink one, it's a dark rose pink, really pretty, and people who see it really like it. It is also really comfortable to sit in. I have some lower back issues and wanted something very comfortable to sit in. I love the seat in the XP9.
I would suggest this boat to anyone who wants a comfortable boat with lots of cargo space, that will do anything from a calm lake to class IV-V rapids. I've only had one problem with it, and that is getting in and out of it, but that is due to my flexibility and balance, and really has nothing to do with the boat.
This is a very forgiving and confidence inspiring boat. Excellent quality. The skeg is brilliant; move the lever forward (downstream) to lower the skeg, or back, (upstream) to raise the skeg. The boat changes from super maneuverable, to straight tracking. In one 37-mile stretch on the Rogue river I successfully navigated 47 serious rapids, class II to III in fast flow and swirly currents. This is with less than 2 hours practice in ww. Somehow this boat danced me safely downstream under conditions I never thought I could tackle. A Seals 2 XL skirt worked great. I did make a plastic back support that I can velcro to the back band enabling me to extend the height of the rear cushion. This gives me the option of a low or high back support. Sweet. Comfortable now for a few hours. The rounded bow bounces off rocks and the boat accelerates well. And nice cargo capacity. I am 5'10, 180 lbs and it fits me well. The XP 10 was too big for me.
Submitted by: Jason - Rating: 9 of 10
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Submitted by: shonuffkayak - Rating: 10 of 10
|This review courtesy of www.outdoorplay.com|
One thing that bothered me was the center wall support that has to remain in the cockpit.I thought this was for shipping,and initially removed it. Even paddled without it several times, and seemed fine, however after inquiring about the seat track which popped up while sitting in the kayak L.L. stated that the center wall is crucial to the boat integrity... I guess so the bow can't collapse if hitting a big drop,or boof??? So there goes the great space for storage in the bow....I thought it was funny how no one else talked about this feature...the front center wall.
Overall this boat is awesome... I have had many rec boats and they have such a pointed tip front and back which makes the boat very tippy on things like log crossings,and such if creeking. This bottom has rounded tips...great design. very happy so far.
I've had my XP for a year now and 2 weeks ago pushed it to it's limit for this area of the country. You folks remember that Florida has been getting crazy cold weather? Well I was riding the bleeding edge of both cold fronts in my XP9 riding 4ft wave trains for miles! It was a hoot. Felt totally good in this boat. My wife says she feels much better when I take the XP out in those conditions (vs my slalom boat). By the way. It carves great on edge on a steep face. I like how it behaves in ocean surf too.
Only negatives are:
It's a little on the slow side on open water, but obviously that's not what it was designed for.
The storage space in the back gets water in it quickly, especially if you roll.
The remix9 is perfect for my better half and the 2 kids. 110-155 pounds. None of them thought it was to tippy, it tracked better than the old Keowee and spun on a dime. That skeg is a wonderful thing. Their only complaint was that they are used to a high seat back like on a rec boat or on the SOT. Get used to it the remix comes from a WW family.
They loved it 10 out of 10.
Myself....5 out of 10.
The boat is recommended for up to 220 lbs. I'm in the 230-240 range. I slid the seat back all the way to try and get the bow a little higher out of the water, but still plowed through the waves.
Someone my size needs the remix10.
10 for 10 for three quarters of my clan, not a bad deal, 1 boat that does lakes and river good.
Like any boat try it first, but I guess I'm stuck with my 8 year old Dagger, till I can find 10 more Franklins I don't know what to do with.
Oh yeah,My son really likes putting the skeg up and just spinning like a top.
As for the 'dry' hatch...
It's not so dry. I rolled the boat a few times and found about 6 cups of water in the stern hatch. YES, the hatch was closed. I have checked all the fittings and they are water tight, except the rim of the hatch. I think this is an easy fix; just get some closed-cell foam. A long strip about 1/16 x 5/32 should do it; and attach it with a very small amount of contact cement. I haven't tried this yet but am pretty sure it will do the trick.
By the way, LL knows of this problem and one rep said 'It's not so much a dry hatch; more like a hatch for dry bags.' They say they're trying to develop a fix for the problem, so no worries either way. Otherwise this is a killer craft. It has not taken any water in the hatch when running rivers and creeks; and the stability kinda makes rolling a remote possibility... so just stay upright til LL gets it worked out. In my case, I'm going to find some foam strips.
The XP9 is stable, comfortable, easily controlled, and playful. The skeg is a must and it works flawlessly! Skeg up and this boat becomes HIGHLY maneuverable. One forward or reverse sweep turn with a paddle and this boat will spin like a top, in place, a full 360*. Unheard of!
Skeg down and she tracks better than any 9-10ft kayak I've been in. However, the skeg in the down position does not really take away from the responsiveness. Yes, it's much quicker to respond to sweep turns with the skeg up, but it's still possible with the skeg down. The skeg definitely helps when going straight. Without it down, the boat will tend to turn quite easily and slight shifts in weight or a lean will exaggerate the movement of the boat. High paddle strokes help.
The skeg on my boat makes a bit of noise while deployed b/c it knocks against either side of the recessed area while paddling. It's a bit annoying, but can easily be fixed by adding a bit of sticky minicel foam to prevent the plastic skeg from bouncing against the boat in that recessed skeg cut-out area.
The "Bad-Ass" seating is heavenly. My rear never got tired while out playing today. It's very comfortable and easy to remove for cleaning. The adjustments work like a charm, too. It's quite simple to adjust on-the-fly. Love the footpegs and thigh braces. Really turns this kayak into a jet fighter, meaning I can settle into the Bad-Ass cockpit of the XP9 and feel like I'm part of the boat instead of just being a passenger. Love that feeling.
Since Native Watercraft is a subsidiary of Legacy Paddlesports, the only other seating that's comparable to the Bad-Ass in the XP9 is the First Class Seating as found in the Ultimate, Magic, and Marvel kayaks. The Bad-Ass seating in the XP9 is FAR better than the DVC seating of the Manta Ray. (I've had both the Manta Ray and Ultimate, so I'm able to give a first-hand review.)
The build quality of the XP9 is top notch and better than most I've seen...even next to pricey glass boat manufacturers. What else would you expect from LL/Legacy Paddlesports? Not a blemish anywhere. Not even a tiny scratch! Not a drop of water through the skeg cable mount. Not a shaving in the boat from post-production fitting. Color me impressed and kudos to EVERYONE at LL for their attention to detail. I'm sure these boats pass through a lot of different hands during the process from start to finish. You'd never be able to tell.
This new crossover kayak from LL is going to really open a lot of doors for folks. I'll be able to hit my local lakes, streams, rivers, creeks, ponds, and even take it beyond-the-breakers without fear. Heck, I'd like to venture into some whitewater with this thing pretty soon.
This boat won't have any problems taking me down my local creek for an overnighter, taking me out for a lazy day on the pond, or taking me to my favorite spot for a little bass fishing. I won't take any long multi-day sea exploration trips, but this boat will do what I want it to do and leave a smile on my face.
I picked up my Liquid Logic Remix XP9 yesterday (actually had it shipped to Florida where I live and paddle and I picked it up at the terminal—couldn't wait). I've been keenly coveting this kayak since August 2008 when I first got wind of it.
About me: 5' 11'' and 138lbs and work out regularly. Have been paddling 4 years now on rivers, lagoons and the Atlantic, typically in my 16.5 ft Hurricane Tracer 165 sea yak, 14ft Necky Manatou, and Old Town Otter XT (which was the boat I'd always have in my SUV—until the arrival of my XP9 that is). I have other boats and paddle them as well, 3 times per week total minimum. I wanted a boat that I could take out in the nasty, thrashy conditions that a 20+ knot wind will produce on the Indian and Banana Rivers (especially a directly north or directly south wind). There will be waves up to 3 feet (sometimes a little bigger) there and a distinct wind-driven current flow. I personally prefer maneuverability to speed in dicey conditions and not too much boat, so I was after some of the kayak qualities enjoyed by white water boaters but also a yak that could track straight for distances. The Otter XT works but even with float bags it takes on a terrific amount of water when you go over (being a rec boat and all) and the skirts for it (like all rec boat skirts) implode a lot due to the cockpit opening's size. So I started looking at the new trend in white water kayaks—transitional white water boats such as the Dagger Approach and LL Remix. I did plenty of research and gave this lots of consideration. The Liquid Logic Remix XP line had everything I was looking for. It had to be a kayak that was at home in the rough water as well as being good for athletic touring and work out paddles on the flats.
I purchased my XP from Austin Kayak (www.austinkayak.com) and I highly recommend them. Very helpful and a good line of boats and equipment; especially a good option if you can't get your hands on the stuff you want locally. The XP came wrapped in the coolest packaging system I have ever seen and even though it came from Texas to Florida on an 18 wheeler it was in better condition than what you often see at the local dealer. No scratches or issues at all. My XP is a Mango one.
The first thing that hits you when you tear off all the protective packaging of this Liquid Logic boat is that this is a fine piece of marine equipment. The high quality of the materials and workmanship is really striking. It feels very solid all over. The 'Bad-Ass' seating/outfitting is without peer! It is most definitely the most comfortable seating on the planet; you could spend hours in it and not be uncomfortable at all. (Now if I could find a way to have a bed made out of the stuff I'd stay in it Rumple Stiltskin style—until the waves kicked up!) After checking to make sure everything was in order I had the wife pick up the kids from the bus stop and I hit the water (she's a good sport!). Conditions were not rough really (darn) with a moderate chop on the river and a north east drift (more east than north), so I was paddling against a cross current.
It is very easy to get into and out of this boat; cockpit size is perfect for someone of my size anyway. The XP really does paddle the flats very well. The bow has the right amount of rocker and a set of double channels on the hull that cuts and splits the water nicely. Heading out into the wind and waves it looks a little like you are plowing water owing to the rounded hull (as opposed to the narrow hull of a sea kayak which tends to pierce the waves and then lifts you out and up); this is deceptive as the XP9 really is lifting you nicely over the wave. I was amazed how fast this boat could get over waves and through the resistance water. I found the boat fast for a 9 footer and it can definitely 'get you into the zone' when distance paddling. With boats of this size I like a short paddle such as the Aquabound Shred; the torque won't paddle you out of line and it is easier to dial in to this hull size. I put it through it's paces, leaning as hard over as I could to the point of a roll. It's lean is bomber. Very dynamic hull design with nice edges and it produces great stability. I can see that it would be an easy rolling boat and if the water wasn't so darn cold I would have tried it yesterday (very thin-blooded tropical Florida kayaker here -- sorry)! Will do some rolling and post any changes.
The XP9 is highly maneuverable, even with the drop skeg down. Leaning forward on the nose you can get on current swells easily and it is a lot of fun. White water boats have a number of places on their hulls that you can turn on, not just the center line bottom area and side chines as is the case on a sea kayak. So the XP is fun to explore different moves on requiring use of different parts and elements of the hull. *By the way, even though she weighs as much as my 16.5 Tracer (about 46lbs empty), she is a much easier shoulder carry—not just because of the shorter length but because of that Bad-Ass outfitting; the seat cushion overlaps the cockpit combing slightly and gives you a sort of shoulder pad. It's the most comfortable carry of any of my kayaks.
"Backcess Hatch": This is a neat set up on the XP. I sunk my stern quite a bit and tried to get the hatch area as wet as possible. It stayed very dry. It is also very easy to get to underway. Plenty of storage for all-day needs. Liquid Logic's website states that there is plenty of storage for a week's worth of camping. I think it all depends on how you pack. When I camp overnight on the spoil islands in the lagoon I always over-pack. Maybe the white water crowd that designed this boat is used to getting by with a lot less than a sea kayaker. I'm not an expert on this. But I will say that between the dry hatch area (with solid dry bulkhead) and what can go between your legs you are dealing with plenty of storage possibilities. And that hard hatch will last the life of the boat I am sure—I like it better than Necky's or Hurricane's different hatch cover systems.
The drop skeg: The only place where something could go wrong on any kayak because of the moving parts. First, the skeg works very well. It's spring-loaded so it snaps up and down with no problems. Without the skeg you can dial in to the hull dynamics of this boat for straight-aways and get it under control, but it takes concentration (unless you are riding a swell or it is a nasty water state and then the boat is in it's element without the skeg). Skeg up and the XP is all about extreme maneuverability (cool!). Skeg down and she tracks better than any rec boat (that's what I'm talking about!). Initially on my first run I noticed some water in the cockpit after a 2 ½ hour spin. I was wearing a new seal skin skirt so I was sealed in there well. I estimate there was about 6-7 cups of water in the cockpit. I was wearing neoprene booties so let's take out a cup for each foot. Still left with 4-5 cups of water in there. I did some experimenting with cups of water after I dried her out and the skeg lever mechanism is where the steady dribble of water came in (at the tip of the bolt/nut area on the inside of the cockpit.) when that area is submerged. Don't freak out if that happens to you—I think mine was just too loose. To be certain, I glooped on some 'Plastic Dip' (it's actually rubber when it hardens and acts like those old ice cream cone treats where you dip the cone in strawberry or vanilla liquid and it hardens right away—you get it at the hardware store), put some silicone on the bottom bolt, and tightened the bolt. Today had it out for almost 4 hours and soaked it good. NO more water from the skeg lever; there was only less than a cup in the whole cockpit. Good Deal!
In conclusion, I am very happy with this boat. I can take it to the Nantahala, Taccoa, and Chatuge in Georgia and play with the white water crowd. I can take it out on the Indian and Banana River Lagoons in all sorts of conditions for my work out endurance paddling sessions. I can take it on those same Florida waterways when everyone else is putting ashore because the conditions are rough (I plan on trying her out on the ocean in some surf next since I live about 15 minutes from the Atlantic). You can put it in the SUV with the seats down and get that quick lunch time paddle in. I definitely recommend this boat if you are after any of the things I am in an all-round 'do it all' boat. Rock solid construction. Cool kayak.
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